Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.

[Surgenator]

This reminds me of the time my darling Sam and I had a pub lunch in Dudley, and a party of students at another table were having a violent row about the laws of physics. It was like being at the colosseum, only with slightly less Latin. And more blood.

I wish I could of seen that.

[pocaracas]

This reminds me of the time my darling Sam and I had a pub lunch in Dudley, and a party of students at another table were having a violent row about the laws of physics. It was like being at the colosseum, only with slightly less Latin. And more blood.

I wish I could have seen that.

Grammar nazism brought to you by InfidelTV!

[RobbyPants]

They're the same thing. A fraction is an expression of division. That's why one half = one divided by two.

my point is, this whole discussion is about the golden ratio, 34/21 is not the golden ratio, they are fibonacci numbers,

Yabut that's not what you said. What you said was:

Up until now I'd been using the "/" to symbolize division not a fraction ...

Maybe you meant ratio, but that's not what you said.

[Alex K]

Grammar nazism brought to you by InfidelTV!

Oh, my grammar Nazi finger was itching so much with this one, but I resisted.

[pocaracas]

Grammar nazism brought to you by InfidelTV!

Oh, my grammar Nazi finger was itching so much with this one, but I resisted.

Every once in a while, someone posts that same mistake... I've endured the itch for long... today, I just had to scratch!
That and the other guy who writes "b sides" instead of "besides"...

[Alex K]

That and the other guy who writes "b sides" instead of "besides"...

That definately deserves a spanking!

[Jenny A]

@ Huggy,

This conversation about ratios began because you claimed DNA exhibits the golden ratio or phi. Fine, except that our (and I mean humans here) measurements of DNA aren't accurate enough to know that. There are a variety of estimates one of which supports your theory. Because some of the measurements cited weren't whole numbers you suggested that they couldn't be used to in ratios. This is silly because they can easily be converted to whole numbers.

Suppose a rectangle is 3 by five inches. That's a ratio of 3 to 5. But if we measured it in yards it would be 3/36 to 5/36 an inconveniently expressed but equivalent ratio. Notice that the measurements are exactly the same. If I convert that to decimals I can express that as 0.8333333 to 0.18888888889. But regardless of how I express it, it is still the same ratio.

You see, if we divide both sides of 3/36 to 5/36 by 36 we are right back at 3 to 5. ( 3/36 divided by 36 equals 108/36 equals 3. And 5/36 divided by 36 equals 180/36 equals 5). How we express the ratio doesn't change the ratio.

But the matter at hand is that our measurements (and yours) of DNA aren't accurate enough to determine if the ratio of the curves is phi. Everything else is a red herring (though it does demonstrate that math isn't your strong point). So if we don't know if the ratio of DNA is phi, we don't know.

Simple.

[Whateverist]

That and the other guy who writes "b sides" instead of "besides"...

That definately deserves a spanking!

Yeah, I didn't even know they still made 45's. Why else would they need something to back a new track?

[Restan]

Perhaps you can tell us how the universe came to be, if not created by some event or force,

Study up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_cosmology

and how it has lasted over 14 billion years if it is not an ordered entity?

Given its chaotic nature, you can't exactly call it an ordered entity.

if the universe is fine tuned for something, what force fine tuned it?

Its not fine tuned. Its not even tuned.

If it is random, how can you know what will happen?

Its not random - that is how.

You must be a genius. You seem to know things other brilliant minds have not yet discovered. Too bad you can't defend your assertions. The link you gave does nothing to disprove my theory, nor does anything you have said. How about coming up with some observable evidence that the universe is chaotic? If it was chaotic, it would not obey physical laws. If it was chaotic, it would not have lasted for 14.5 billion years. If it was chaotic, evolution would not occur as it does.

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You say it is chaotic and then you say it is not random, which is it?

[Surgenator]

You must be a genius. You seem to know things other brilliant minds have not yet discovered. Too bad you can't defend your assertions. The link you gave does nothing to disprove my theory, nor does anything you have said. How about coming up with some observable evidence that the universe is chaotic? If it was chaotic, it would not obey physical laws. If it was chaotic, it would not have lasted for 14.5 billion years. If it was chaotic, evolution would not occur as it does.

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You say it is chaotic and then you say it is not random, which is it?

Scientifically speaking, you don't have a theory, but a hypothesis.

You are the one proposing a hypothesis, you have to provide evidence for it. Until you do, noone has to take your hypothesis seriously or need to disprove it.

Also, your hypothesis is a mostly a big argument out of ignorance. It boils down to "I don't how to explain this, therefore God did it." The other main ingredient is your misunderstanding of random/chaos. Purely random events happen all the time e.g. nucluer decays, de-excitation of electrons, heat flow, gas pressure, etc...

Finally, you can find order in chaos. You should read this.