Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
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Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
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October 10, 2013 at 6:25 pm
(October 10, 2013 at 6:16 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:(October 10, 2013 at 5:27 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Again with the "Atheistic Origin Science"? Here's a fun fact: he got his arse kicked by the pope for it  RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 10, 2013 at 6:34 pm
(October 10, 2013 at 5:14 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:(October 10, 2013 at 5:11 pm)Faith No More Wrote: No, not a scientific principle, and I'm sure. You know?... I recently watched a few videos by a guy called.... hmmm, what was it?... Krauss!... that's the man.... It hinted at a friend of his which got a nobel prize for his work... on... virtual particles... Well, he claims that he calculated the total energy of the Universe and it is..... ZERO!  RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 10, 2013 at 6:43 pm
(October 10, 2013 at 6:16 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Not a true Christian, though, naturally. Yeah, because "Catholics aren't Christians at all" 
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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October 10, 2013 at 7:54 pm
It'll be an interesting definition of "atheist", though.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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October 11, 2013 at 2:39 am
Yeah, Pocaracas beat me to that one. Krauss has widely publicised his work "A Universe from Nothing", with the YouTube video kindly linked above; his book by the same name is absolutely riveting and very accessible. Maybe, Grace, you should read it?
You seem not yet to understand that Goddiddit is not the default position, nor could it ever be. Whether it's that you're not intelligent enough to understand this, or whether you're simply blinded by faith (whatever that is...), or maybe you're just in denial, I don't know. But it doesn't change that as a fact. So even if there weren't extraordinarily well thought out theorems explaining very plausibly how the universe may have come into being while remaining perfectly in line with the most scientifically robust and best tested branch of science ever developed (quantum mechanics), your Goddiddit position would be in trouble. But the fact that there are such theorems leaves you with a lot of explaining to do. Good luck with that one.  RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 11, 2013 at 5:54 am
(October 10, 2013 at 5:23 pm)Chuck Wrote:(October 10, 2013 at 10:37 am)Tonus Wrote: Theistic origin science Are you mocking the branch of science that deals with discovery via the time-honored traditions of making shit up and ignoring reality? That's why you're going to burn in hell, sonny.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 11, 2013 at 6:24 am
(October 10, 2013 at 6:34 pm)pocaracas Wrote:(October 10, 2013 at 5:14 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: E(initial) = 0 he calculated the energy of the whole universe and got exactly 0. So if the energy of the universe is not exactly 0, the Big Bang is false then. Else why bring it up. But he could not have calculated the energy of the universe, since not all of the universe is even observable. Besides all observations show the universe does have a mass-energy that is not 0, so the Big Bang is falsified until we get an exact 0.  RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 11, 2013 at 11:23 am
(This post was last modified: October 11, 2013 at 11:26 am by Angrboda.)
(October 11, 2013 at 6:24 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: he calculated the energy of the whole universe and got exactly 0. No, if the total energy of the universe is non-zero, then it counts as evidence against his theory, nothing more. The big bang is a separate theory, explaining a different phenomena. At present, it's not entirely clear whether the sum total is zero, but there is substantial evidence that it is zero or close to zero. That makes his theory potentially correct. However, as there are other theories that accord with the evidence, as well as theories as yet unknown, it doesn't make his theory necessarily true, nor does it make his theory a conclusion based on an assumption of atheism, or to atheism. ![[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/zf86M5L7/extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg)  RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 11, 2013 at 11:33 am
(October 10, 2013 at 5:11 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:(October 10, 2013 at 5:09 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: OK, pray tell, what scientific laws and principles does the Big Bang theory violate? We don't yet know the cause, so your first statement is premature. Since the total mass-energy of the universe is zero, there is no violation.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
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October 11, 2013 at 12:38 pm
(October 11, 2013 at 11:33 am)Chas Wrote:(October 10, 2013 at 5:11 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: cause and effect If you do not know the cause then you have not answered the origin question at all. If there was something else, what was it, and where did that come from? If there was nothing then it violates cause and effect. |
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