Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.

[pocaracas]

You know?... I recently watched a few videos by a guy called.... hmmm, what was it?... Krauss!... that's the man.... It hinted at a friend of his which got a nobel prize for his work... on... virtual particles...
Well, he claims that he calculated the total energy of the Universe and it is..... ZERO!

he calculated the energy of the whole universe and got exactly 0.

So if the energy of the universe is not exactly 0, the Big Bang is false then. Else why bring it up.

Then Quantum ChromoDynamics would be a bit less right about the structure of matter... some more tweaking would be required in the theory...
I wouldn't go as far as saying that the big bang is false.
Universal expansion is an observable fact, rewind the clock and you arrive at a big bang condition... that's indisputable.
The details, however, are still under much research.
However the recent Higgs boson discovery at CERN hints to the accuracy of the standard model and so QCD is correct.

But he could not have calculated the energy of the universe, since not all of the universe is even observable.

Not directly observable, but we can see the effects of much of the non-visible material out there.
The amount of material has been calculated. So its energy is easily obtainable.
Of course, astrophysicists work a lot with order of magnitudes... the detailed account of every Joule of energy is impossible for a human being.

Besides all observations show the universe does have a mass-energy that is not 0, so the Big Bang is falsified until we get an exact 0.

Ever heard of anti-matter? It has negative energy.
And dark matter? It's.... strange....

The night is dark and full of mysteries... let's not pretend it's a bright day when all we can see is the sliver of an almost new moon.

[Angrboda]

Besides all observations show the universe does have a mass-energy that is not 0, so the Big Bang is falsified until we get an exact 0.

Ever heard of anti-matter? It has negative energy.
And dark matter? It's.... strange....

The night is dark and full of mysteries... let's not pretend it's a bright day when all we can see is the sliver of an almost new moon.

[snowtracks]

OK, pray tell, what scientific laws and principles does the Big Bang theory violate?

nothing but snide remarks from this guy.

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the U. itself is an effect. the principle of causality says cause is alway greater than the effect and always precedes the effect. no human has ever seen this principle violated.

[Lemonvariable72]

OK - The universe (simple version):

There was a mummy Universe and a daddy Universe and they got together and after a big bang a baby universe was borne.

And the baby universe grew up to be a big universe just like mummy and daddy.

hahahaha what is a funny concidence is that some physicists have hypothesized that this universe came about as a collision of 2 other universes.

[Faith No More]

the U. itself is an effect. the principle of causality says cause is alway greater than the effect and always precedes the effect. no human has ever seen this principle violated.

Now all you have to do is explain how someting can precede something else when time does not exist.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I do know.

No you don't.

[Bucky Ball]

So if the energy of the universe is not exactly 0, the Big Bang is false then. Else why bring it up.

But he could not have calculated the energy of the universe, since not all of the universe is even observable.

Besides all observations show the universe does have a mass-energy that is not 0, so the Big Bang is falsified until we get an exact 0.

Wrong again deluded one. Sucks to be you.
Gravity exists, (please go jump off the nearest, tallest building, ASAP, if you need to verify that). Gravity can have a a negative value, (which you would know if you ever took a science class.) Matter and anti-matter exist. They collide and annihilate. That does not imply they did not both exist. The sum of zero of the universe does not break any laws, or invalidate the reality of the positive and negative components.
One can infer the sum of Dark Energy and Dark Matter, by their affects on galaxies. Those are big words for you, so don't strain yourself. You clearly are an ignorant little troll.

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OK - The universe (simple version):

There was a mummy Universe and a daddy Universe and they got together and after a big bang a baby universe was borne.

And the baby universe grew up to be a big universe just like mummy and daddy.

The question is, "Was Jason Bourne born or borne ?"
(Oh wait ... both).
Never mind.
Carry on.


meow

[SavedByGraceThruFaith]

So if the energy of the universe is not exactly 0, the Big Bang is false then. Else why bring it up.

But he could not have calculated the energy of the universe, since not all of the universe is even observable.

Besides all observations show the universe does have a mass-energy that is not 0, so the Big Bang is falsified until we get an exact 0.

Wrong again deluded one. Sucks to be you.
Gravity exists, (please go jump off the nearest, tallest building, ASAP, if you need to verify that). Gravity can have a a negative value, (which you would know if you ever took a science class.) Matter and anti-matter exist. They collide and annihilate. That does not imply they did not both exist. The sum of zero of the universe does not break any laws, or invalidate the reality of the positive and negative components.
One can infer the sum of Dark Energy and Dark Matter, by their affects on galaxies. Those are big words for you, so don't strain yourself. You clearly are an ignorant little troll.

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OK - The universe (simple version):

There was a mummy Universe and a daddy Universe and they got together and after a big bang a baby universe was borne.

And the baby universe grew up to be a big universe just like mummy and daddy.

The question is, "Was Jason Bourne born or borne ?"
(Oh wait ... both).
Never mind.
Carry on.


meow

No answer to the origin of the universe then.

The same contradiction holds.

It the universe comes from nothing, that violates a number of scientific laws and principles.
If it always existed, all order should have vanished an infinite time ago.
The contradiction exists.

If it cam from something before, where did that come from?
And the same contradiction holds for it.

[pocaracas]

It the universe comes from nothing, that violates a number of scientific laws and principles.

Maybe not... conservation of energy seems to check out!

If it always existed, all order should have vanished an infinite time ago.
The contradiction exists.

Maybe we're on the sweet spot...

If it cam from something before, where did that come from?
And the same contradiction holds for it.

I don't know.... no one knows.
Maybe the infinite space-time just has this property of generating virtual particles which... sometimes.... turn into real fields and hence particles... and a new Universe.
And, since space-time can be infinite, it is conceivable that many many many such universes exist... perhaps infinite universes.
But I don't know. This may be as much conjecture as saying there's a conscious entity apart from the fabric of space-time which can create universes with his will power alone... We then have to ask where did such an entity come from?

[Chas]

Wrong again deluded one. Sucks to be you.
Gravity exists, (please go jump off the nearest, tallest building, ASAP, if you need to verify that). Gravity can have a a negative value, (which you would know if you ever took a science class.) Matter and anti-matter exist. They collide and annihilate. That does not imply they did not both exist. The sum of zero of the universe does not break any laws, or invalidate the reality of the positive and negative components.
One can infer the sum of Dark Energy and Dark Matter, by their affects on galaxies. Those are big words for you, so don't strain yourself. You clearly are an ignorant little troll.

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The question is, "Was Jason Bourne born or borne ?"
(Oh wait ... both).
Never mind.
Carry on.


meow

No answer to the origin of the universe then.

The same contradiction holds.

It the universe comes from nothing, that violates a number of scientific laws and principles.
If it always existed, all order should have vanished an infinite time ago.
The contradiction exists.

If it cam from something before, where did that come from?
And the same contradiction holds for it.

Since we don't know the origin of our universe, there is no contradiction.

You are creating a contradiction where none exists.