RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 31, 2014 at 6:07 am
(This post was last modified: March 31, 2014 at 6:09 am by tor.)
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Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 31, 2014 at 6:09 am
(March 31, 2014 at 6:07 am)tor Wrote:(March 31, 2014 at 6:02 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: but YOU WILL BE And then I will be free of fools and self important microbes. Lucky me "The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 31, 2014 at 7:31 am
(October 10, 2013 at 10:11 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer. why aren't you ok with "we don't know yet" are you ok with people saying we have never seem a body rise. And your 2 or 3 witness is not enough to counter billions of witness? Science only takes data that we can. Then we as humans try to interpreted that data. It is ok for scientist to say 'we don't know, but it may be XXXX." Why must it be "only your god." when it does not match observations? I would say the observations that science measures is from god (or no god if you so choose to say). RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 31, 2014 at 9:32 am
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 31, 2014 at 9:34 am
(March 31, 2014 at 9:32 am)whateverist Wrote:(March 31, 2014 at 6:02 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: but YOU WILL BE All too true whateverist! IF he makes it this far without being a wimp and opting out. "The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 31, 2014 at 12:29 pm
(March 31, 2014 at 12:12 am)snowtracks Wrote: the scientific method has it's limitations. for instance, nothing can be found out about eschatology which is future oriented: death, afterlife, how the universe ends, the eternal state. and how does one determine that it's true? by hearing or reading it.Yes, science is limited to the things we can detect in some form or another. Anything outside of that can be made up, since there is no way to verify it. Which is why humans have worshiped thousands (probably millions) of gods throughout our existence. And no, we do not determine that the unknowable is true by "hearing or reading it." That doesn't make any sense at all.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 31, 2014 at 9:22 pm
(This post was last modified: March 31, 2014 at 9:26 pm by Chas.)
(March 31, 2014 at 12:12 am)snowtracks Wrote:(March 26, 2014 at 9:33 am)Tonus Wrote: No, but your acceptance of what we learn through the application of the scientific method is dependent on whether or not it conflicts with what we thought we knew through the application of the "god told the high priest in a dream" method. You accept science because you rely on it every day in ways that are tangible, and you reject it wherever it conflicts with your interpretation of an ancient book written at a time when "technology" meant rubbing camel shit on a wound to "treat" it.the scientific method has it's limitations. for instance, nothing can be found out about eschatology which is future oriented: death, afterlife, how the universe ends, the eternal state. and how does one determine that it's true? by hearing or reading it. Actually, through science, we do know how the universe ends.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method. RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 31, 2014 at 9:34 pm
(March 31, 2014 at 6:09 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:(March 31, 2014 at 6:07 am)tor Wrote: You will be 100 steps forward at all times I love the way you put things . . . Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni: "You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???" RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 1, 2014 at 12:19 am
(This post was last modified: April 1, 2014 at 12:20 am by snowtracks.)
(March 31, 2014 at 12:29 pm)Tonus Wrote:wouldn't and doesn't make sense using the scientific method. if one were to do a thought experience employing the 5 senses to determine God's existence, they would concluded it couldn't be done (for instance a visual manifestation); hence, God uses scripture to convey to a person's spirit and conscious that what they are hearing or reading is truth. so for finding eschatological answers, the research tactics are changed.(March 31, 2014 at 12:12 am)snowtracks Wrote: the scientific method has it's limitations. for instance, nothing can be found out about eschatology which is future oriented: death, afterlife, how the universe ends, the eternal state. and how does one determine that it's true? by hearing or reading it.Yes, science is limited to the things we can detect in some form or another. Anything outside of that can be made up, since there is no way to verify it. Which is why humans have worshiped thousands (probably millions) of gods throughout our existence. (March 31, 2014 at 9:22 pm)Chas Wrote:touché(March 31, 2014 at 12:12 am)snowtracks Wrote: the scientific method has it's limitations. for instance, nothing can be found out about eschatology which is future oriented: death, afterlife, how the universe ends, the eternal state. and how does one determine that it's true? by hearing or reading it.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 1, 2014 at 12:34 am
(April 1, 2014 at 12:19 am)snowtracks Wrote: wouldn't and doesn't make sense using the scientific method. if one were to do a thought experience employing the 5 senses to determine God's existence, they would concluded it couldn't be done (for instance a visual manifestation); hence, God uses scripture to convey to a person's spirit and conscious that what they are hearing or reading is truth. so for finding eschatological answers, the research tactics are changed. If you can't detect god through your senses, and the only thing you have to determine anything about him is a book someone claims is inspired by him, then you have no evidence, are unjustified in your claims, and are doing what we call "believing something outlandish written in a book." Despite how you privilege this, it's no different from believing Harry Potter is using text to convey shit to a person's spirit. The fact that you believe what's in a book isn't compelling evidence of the existence of a thing. I know your gullibility is impressive to you, but not to the rest of us.
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