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October 31, 2014 at 12:23 pm
(October 31, 2014 at 12:14 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (October 31, 2014 at 12:04 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: prove it.
I suggest you look through some of the authorship referenced here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_of_the_Bible
You want me to read through the whole wiki page? Since were talking the book of Isaiah specifically, make the case for it not being actually written by Isaiah and well move on from there.
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October 31, 2014 at 12:25 pm
(October 31, 2014 at 12:04 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (October 31, 2014 at 11:51 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Because it's true. prove it.
Are you actually seriously suggesting that, for example, Exodus was written by Moses?
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October 31, 2014 at 12:26 pm
(October 31, 2014 at 12:23 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (October 31, 2014 at 12:14 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I suggest you look through some of the authorship referenced here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_of_the_Bible
You want me to read through the whole wiki page? Since were talking the book of Isaiah specifically, make the case for it not being actually written by Isaiah and well move on from there.
Well, a link directly to Isaiah then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Isaiah#Composition
A poignant part:
Quote:virtually no contemporary scholar maintains that the entire book, or even most of it, was written by one person
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October 31, 2014 at 12:28 pm
(October 31, 2014 at 12:26 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (October 31, 2014 at 12:23 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: You want me to read through the whole wiki page? Since were talking the book of Isaiah specifically, make the case for it not being actually written by Isaiah and well move on from there.
Well, a link directly to Isaiah then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Isaiah#Composition
A poignant part:
Quote:virtually no contemporary scholar maintains that the entire book, or even most of it, was written by one person And i just explained why that is wrong.
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October 31, 2014 at 12:29 pm
(October 31, 2014 at 12:28 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (October 31, 2014 at 12:26 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Well, a link directly to Isaiah then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Isaiah#Composition
A poignant part: And i just explained why that is wrong.
I'm sure Biblical scholars (many of them believing Christians) would be happy to hear that. Go get published.
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October 31, 2014 at 12:31 pm
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(October 31, 2014 at 12:28 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (October 31, 2014 at 12:26 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Well, a link directly to Isaiah then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Isaiah#Composition
A poignant part: And i just explained why that is wrong.
Your explanation was utterly unconvincing. You base it on people believing it to be true - circular reasoning.
"It can only be true if a prophet wrote it.
My interpretation of the words say the prophecy was true.
Therefore a prophet wrote it.
It says Isaiah wrote it, he's a prophet, so it must be true."
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October 31, 2014 at 12:45 pm
(October 31, 2014 at 12:23 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (October 31, 2014 at 12:14 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I suggest you look through some of the authorship referenced here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_of_the_Bible
You want me to read through the whole wiki page? Since were talking the book of Isaiah specifically, make the case for it not being actually written by Isaiah and well move on from there.
So essentially, you want everyone else to just go along with your blatant shifting of the burden of proof.
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October 31, 2014 at 12:57 pm
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(October 31, 2014 at 12:31 pm)Chas Wrote: (October 31, 2014 at 12:28 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: And i just explained why that is wrong.
Your explanation was utterly unconvincing. You base it on people believing it to be true - circular reasoning.
"It can only be true if a prophet wrote it.
My interpretation of the words say the prophecy was true.
Therefore a prophet wrote it.
It says Isaiah wrote it, he's a prophet, so it must be true."
Stop the presses!!! an atheist is unconvinced!
it's not circular reasoning it's how the Hebrew society worked, they will not listen to prophecy unless it came from a proven prophet, to state that some unnamed schmoe wrote Isaiah is just absurd, it would have never been accepted as scripture if that was the case.
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(October 31, 2014 at 12:45 pm)Esquilax Wrote: So essentially, you want everyone else to just go along with your blatant shifting of the burden of proof.
I'm doing no such thing, FaF made a claim which for which I asked him to back up.
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October 31, 2014 at 12:59 pm
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And I did. You're claiming that a book is written by someone "because it wouldn't have been accepted otherwise"? The fact that you consider that an argument of any substance at all is rather distressing.
What would you says to the huge number of Christian Bible scholars who say you're totally wrong?
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October 31, 2014 at 1:05 pm
(October 31, 2014 at 12:59 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: And I did. You're claiming that a book is written by someone "because it wouldn't have been accepted otherwise"? The fact that you consider that an argument of any substance at all is rather distressing.
What would you says to the huge number of Christian Bible scholars who say you're totally wrong? No, what you posted was an opinion, you need to name a specific source so we can view its material, wiki is too vague.
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