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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
November 14, 2014 at 1:57 pm
(November 13, 2014 at 6:06 am)Firewalker Wrote: Yes, just theoretical, but SBG want atheistic answers, and by God I'm going to give him something!
SBG hasn't existed here for more than a year. It's very unlikely he'll learn from anything you post. Please do continue, but be aware of little details like this.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
November 30, 2014 at 12:58 am
(November 8, 2014 at 8:51 am)whateverist Wrote:
(November 7, 2014 at 1:07 pm)comet Wrote: something started it. Unless you are in the nothing camp.
"Science" uses every solution to rule out "smarts" or "universe making a choice". The theists could use this knowledge. But then again, "science" doesn't do a thing does it? The easiest thing to rule out is "nothing" doing it. I think.
Something started what? That means absolutely nothing to me. Stuff was here yesterday and the day before and on back as far as we know. Before there was stuff there was a big bang. Before that we just don't know but I personally can't imagine there isn't another mega scale of things from which singularities are common place. On some level of description, universes probably reside one packed cheek to jowl with its neighbors on all sides. From within any one universe you'll never be able to detect the others for a number of good reasons.
Want to ask what started the multiple universes popping in and out of existence? Why bother, we are in no position to answer the question. Likewise with the question of origins. It is beyond our ken. From the fact that origins are beyond our comprehension, no assumptions follow.
most miracles God performs are within His chosen physical laws. For instance, the solar system’s formation. The solar nebulous which is seeded with heavy elements from supernovae explosion that had to be at the right time and location. These explosions had to be near enough to element enrich the solar nebula but sufficiently distant from scattering it. We are planned stardust --- http://www.thegreatstory.org/Stardustbackground.html.
Additional elements came in the moon’s creation impact which delivered fuel to drive tectonics and volcanism which has created the land masses, and earth’s inner core to make the magnetic field possible. “The disk has almost no iron as Theia's iron core merges with Earth's core.” - animation - http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~planets/sstewart/Moon.html. The collision happens to be just at the right angle, speed and location to form the full earth and moon. Too many ‘coincidences’ to be happenstance.
much less frequent miracles are transcendent where God acts independent of outside matter, energy, space and time; i. e, Christ walking on water, and the creation of the universe.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
November 30, 2014 at 1:30 am
We are only aware of this universe because everything played out this time around. Last time it did not.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
November 30, 2014 at 9:06 am (This post was last modified: November 30, 2014 at 9:08 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 30, 2014 at 12:58 am)snowtracks Wrote:
most miracles God performs are within His chosen physical laws. For instance, the solar system’s formation. The solar nebulous which is seeded with heavy elements from supernovae explosion that had to be at the right time and location. These explosions had to be near enough to element enrich the solar nebula but sufficiently distant from scattering it. We are planned stardust --- http://www.thegreatstory.org/Stardustbackground.html.
Additional elements came in the moon’s creation impact which delivered fuel to drive tectonics and volcanism which has created the land masses, and earth’s inner core to make the magnetic field possible. “The disk has almost no iron as Theia's iron core merges with Earth's core.” - animation - http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~planets/sstewart/Moon.html. The collision happens to be just at the right angle, speed and location to form the full earth and moon. Too many ‘coincidences’ to be happenstance.
much less frequent miracles are transcendent where God acts independent of outside matter, energy, space and time; i. e, Christ walking on water, and the creation of the universe.
-said the puddle with regards to the hole.
In your attempt at an explanation, "god doing things" is indistinguishable from "god not doing things". Some "god".
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
November 30, 2014 at 10:16 am
(November 30, 2014 at 12:58 am)snowtracks Wrote: most miracles God performs are within His chosen physical laws.
I'm guessing that the list changes as science discovers more about how the universe was formed. "Oh, that? That was god performing a miracle so that it would seem like a natural occurrence. Checkmate!"
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
November 30, 2014 at 12:17 pm
(November 30, 2014 at 12:58 am)snowtracks Wrote: Too many ‘coincidences’ to be happenstance.
It's only a coincidence at all if you take the current state of the Earth to be something that needed to happen, that was a "success" state for which everything was aiming toward, but could fail at. You have no reason to do that.
So, to recap: your argument is only actually an argument if you assume your conclusion before you even begin speaking. It's entirely circular. Good job.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 4, 2014 at 3:11 am
(November 30, 2014 at 12:17 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
(November 30, 2014 at 12:58 am)snowtracks Wrote: Too many ‘coincidences’ to be happenstance.
It's only a coincidence at all if you take the current state of the Earth to be something that needed to happen, that was a "success" state for which everything was aiming toward, but could fail at. You have no reason to do that.
So, to recap: your argument is only actually an argument if you assume your conclusion before you even begin speaking. It's entirely circular. Good job.
what a bunch of gobbledygook. you really need to step up your game, it's been a precipitous dive lately.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 4, 2014 at 3:33 am
(December 4, 2014 at 3:11 am)snowtracks Wrote:
(November 30, 2014 at 12:17 pm)Esquilax Wrote: It's only a coincidence at all if you take the current state of the Earth to be something that needed to happen, that was a "success" state for which everything was aiming toward, but could fail at. You have no reason to do that.
So, to recap: your argument is only actually an argument if you assume your conclusion before you even begin speaking. It's entirely circular. Good job.
what a bunch of gobbledygook. you really need to step up your game, it's been a precipitous dive lately.
Obviously you need to step yours up too. Maybe start with *why* what Esq said is gobbledygook...
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 4, 2014 at 4:08 am
(December 4, 2014 at 3:33 am)rexbeccarox Wrote:
(December 4, 2014 at 3:11 am)snowtracks Wrote: what a bunch of gobbledygook. you really need to step up your game, it's been a precipitous dive lately.
Obviously you need to step yours up too. Maybe start with *why* what Esq said is gobbledygook...
Exactly, if you can't decipher what another human being has said to you, how in the world are you supposed to understand the signs and omens of this mega-invisible-alleverything GOD thingy? (Something tells me it will involve chicken entrails.)
