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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 5, 2015 at 4:00 pm
Actually, even if that were not wildly inaccurate, it would be one choice between two options. Not two choices.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 5, 2015 at 4:23 pm
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(April 5, 2015 at 3:25 pm)comet Wrote: Don't know. But we can start with two choices. It come from a past event(s) or it come from nothing.
I am in the "something" camp. From there I go with the natural laws we have to make some guesses. They really are just guesses at this point, but I think using what we know is better than making stuff up. "poof there it is" just doesn't fit. If it came from past events, what then was the first event? "poof there it is"? If you put causality into the picture, you have either "poof there it is" or infinite regression. What is your choice?
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 5, 2015 at 5:50 pm
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(April 5, 2015 at 4:23 pm)IATIA Wrote: (April 5, 2015 at 3:25 pm)comet Wrote: Don't know. But we can start with two choices. It come from a past event(s) or it come from nothing.
I am in the "something" camp. From there I go with the natural laws we have to make some guesses. They really are just guesses at this point, but I think using what we know is better than making stuff up. "poof there it is" just doesn't fit. If it came from past events, what then was the first event? "poof there it is"? If you put causality into the picture, you have either "poof there it is" or infinite regression. What is your choice?
infinite regression implies more than we know. It implies our logic is correct for all states of the cosmos. We just don't know enough to make that claim. I am just talking about our universe anyway. But you basically have it. something or nothing. And we agree, we do get to pick.
(April 5, 2015 at 4:00 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Actually, even if that were not wildly inaccurate, it would be one choice between two options. Not two choices.
yeah, sure it is. I guess it could be wildly inaccurate for a philosopher tho. But they don't squat anyway. Then we would be fighting bullshit with bullshit. Which for militant atheism against theist is fine because it's about emotions and not facts at that point. So if one admits to that, I am cool with it.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 5, 2015 at 10:55 pm
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(April 5, 2015 at 2:52 pm)comet Wrote: Hey man, nice attack here whatever.
You really aren't in my league. You know it.
But, If wanna have a go, we'll stick to facts and no personal attacks.
That would be pretty important because everyone knows how vicious I can be. Keep your guard up.
As for not being in your league .. that's just about the nicest thing anyone has said to me all day. Thanks.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 25, 2015 at 10:32 pm
(April 5, 2015 at 1:06 am)dyresand Wrote: (April 4, 2015 at 10:44 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Well, let's stated this way: God's capabilities are at least ∞^7 greater than ours. And the natural realm is limited to a first-order infinity.
I have disproved god can be all powerful already. god cannot have infinite power it doesn't exist. For instance, going from 1 spatial dimension which is a point or line to 2 dim’s which is a plane (infinitely vertical & horizontal) amounts to functional infinite capabilities. Analogous to viewing one point on a computer screen, or viewing all the images ever displayed on all the computer screens.
The creation event - the origin of the universe’s matter, energy and total dimensionality is an effect that includes our cosmic time dimension. Whoever caused the universe must possess at least one more time dimension beyond the universe’s one time dimension. ---- 4+6+1=11-4=7.
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An aside, but it appears God has access or can create an infinity amount of timelines or their equivalent. Inferences are that salvation by Christ was performed on an individual time basis and He has the capability to compress an infinite amount of time down to any length.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 25, 2015 at 11:59 pm
(April 25, 2015 at 10:32 pm)snowtracks Wrote: An aside, but it appears God has access or can create an infinity amount of timelines or their equivalent. Inferences are that salvation by Christ was performed on an individual time basis and He has the capability to compress an infinite amount of time down to any length.
"It appears." 
How does it appear? What evidence do you have for a single thing you're saying?
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 26, 2015 at 12:07 am
(April 25, 2015 at 10:32 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (April 5, 2015 at 1:06 am)dyresand Wrote: I have disproved god can be all powerful already. god cannot have infinite power it doesn't exist. For instance, going from 1 spatial dimension which is a point or line to 2 dim’s which is a plane (infinitely vertical & horizontal) amounts to functional infinite capabilities. Analogous to viewing one point on a computer screen, or viewing all the images ever displayed on all the computer screens.
The creation event - the origin of the universe’s matter, energy and total dimensionality is an effect that includes our cosmic time dimension. Whoever caused the universe must possess at least one more time dimension beyond the universe’s one time dimension. ---- 4+6+1=11-4=7.
You're taking an untested hypothesis to show us numerology!
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 26, 2015 at 7:38 am
(April 25, 2015 at 11:59 pm)Esquilax Wrote: "It appears."
How does it appear? First, he reaches into his ass...
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 26, 2015 at 1:48 pm
Wow, 2400 replies to a post made by a person since banned. This thread has legs!
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 26, 2015 at 1:51 pm
(April 26, 2015 at 1:48 pm)alpha male Wrote: Wow, 2400 replies to a post made by a person since banned. This thread has legs!
It's snowy keeping it going by repeating long refuted things he said ages ago.
It has more to say about the patience of some our members than the validity of the claim.
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