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RE: Is There a Point To Living a Moral Life?
October 17, 2013 at 12:23 pm
(October 17, 2013 at 10:40 am)ronedee Wrote: You always read things [into] what I say that aren't there. Why have any conversation at all?
If you already knew the answer, why did you ask to begin with? 
Or do you honestly think that it's god that makes you care about others, and the countless atheists who operate under that same constant are just a statistical anomaly?
Quote:ASSume everything I say is from your dark, evil perspective and just go away.
Wow, condescending arrogant dickery from ronedee! What a fucking turn up that is!
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RE: Is There a Point To Living a Moral Life?
October 17, 2013 at 12:33 pm
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(October 17, 2013 at 12:14 pm)Rationalman Wrote: (October 17, 2013 at 12:09 pm)Zazzy Wrote: Ronedee has come to a very reasonable place in the last few posts- I'd say that deserves a mention.
Forgive me for my pessimism but I don't foresee it lasting very long. However, I do hope that he proves me wrong
I wouldn't even go that far. The bulk of his last post, to Ben Davis, is accusing him of being blind to the nastiness, unfairness, and persecution of Christians on this forum. It's a subtext ronedee can't seem to do without, despite it having little to do with the stated goal of the thread. But then ronedee is known for pulling these bait and switches, opening a thread with one topic, simply to generate material to prosecute his real argument with after he's 'prompted' the type of response he needs.
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RE: Is There a Point To Living a Moral Life?
October 17, 2013 at 12:37 pm
(October 17, 2013 at 12:33 pm)apophenia Wrote: (October 17, 2013 at 12:14 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Forgive me for my pessimism but I don't foresee it lasting very long. However, I do hope that he proves me wrong
I wouldn't even go that far. The bulk of his last post, to Ben Davis, is accusing him of being blind to the nastiness, unfairness, and persecution of Christians on this forum. It's a subtext ronedee can't seem to do without, despite it having little to do with the stated goal of the thread. But then ronedee is known for pulling these bait and switches, opening a thread with one topic, simply to generate material to prosecute his real argument with after he's 'prompted' the type of response he needs.
Well, he's hardly the only Christian with a persecution complex (are we all ready for the war on Christmas?). It's standard, and tiresome. But RE the OP, he's been surprisingly rational.
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RE: Is There a Point To Living a Moral Life?
October 17, 2013 at 12:58 pm
Does any one actually give a shit about christmas? Just let them have it. A few weeks off, lots of presents, nice food. I say let them call it whatever they want. I don't really care, christmas has never been about religion for me
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RE: Is There a Point To Living a Moral Life?
October 17, 2013 at 1:39 pm
Christmas isn't particularly Christian seeing as most of the people who celebrate it these days aren't Christians. It was Pagan to begin with anyway, it's the Winter Solstice that's what it is. You can take it as symbolic for the coming light of the salvation of Christ through the darkness of sin and ignorance if you want to put a religious spin on it. Jesus almost certainly wasn't born on 25th of December but seeing as we don't know when he was born you can use it as his birthday if you like. If you're an atheist you can enjoy good old fashioned Christian coming together of the family, you get a bit of Christian values through your backdoor.
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RE: Is There a Point To Living a Moral Life?
October 17, 2013 at 1:46 pm
I just enjoy the cash bonus that my employer feels obligated to pay us.
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RE: Is There a Point To Living a Moral Life?
October 17, 2013 at 1:52 pm
(October 17, 2013 at 10:40 am)ronedee Wrote: So.... we are either essentially good, or not so good...Atheists or Religious! God has little to do with that descision.
I think the definitions of good or not so good are still subjective, but effectively I agree with this premise + Zazzy's addition in her reply to you.
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RE: Is There a Point To Living a Moral Life?
October 17, 2013 at 1:53 pm
"you get a bit of Christian values through your backdoor."
Gay Christians?
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RE: Is There a Point To Living a Moral Life?
October 17, 2013 at 1:55 pm
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(October 16, 2013 at 8:57 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (October 16, 2013 at 8:23 pm)ronedee Wrote: ...for an Atheist that is? Good question! I know how Dostoevsky would have answered.
(October 16, 2013 at 8:23 pm)ronedee Wrote: ... I figured you'd all want to wish me a Happy Anniversary!! I remember when you joined. I thought it great to have a representative from the Whore of Babylon here (wink, wink).
(October 16, 2013 at 8:23 pm)ronedee Wrote: Given the natural cynicism and nastiness of Atheists [here] in general... is there any reason to live a "Moral" life? Evolution! Its all evolution! Hip Hip Hurray! Random chance has given us reason, values and brotherly love.
(October 16, 2013 at 8:23 pm)ronedee Wrote: Yeah, yeah....I know you would say that Christians are doing the same thing....And they are! Those vile hypocrites. How dare they HAVE beliefs to violate. At least if you don't have any values you cannot violate them.
(October 16, 2013 at 8:23 pm)ronedee Wrote: As an observation as a Christian... Your words are pretty mean spirited to any religious. And I've witnessed a lot of hate here. Atheists don't hate believers. They just think they are stupid bigots. Don't take it personally. (And they all know a gay couple that's so much nicer than any church-goers.)
(October 16, 2013 at 8:23 pm)ronedee Wrote: Honesty in general... where is the line drawn, and how? I TOLD you! Evolution, man.
(October 16, 2013 at 8:23 pm)ronedee Wrote: I hope you take this thread seriously! You've been here and still haven't learned that anything a believer says is just a big joke to most of them?
(October 16, 2013 at 8:51 pm)Zazzy Wrote: We're pack animals. We need others to survive, and not just to protect us from other packs. Morals are different from society to society, but we all have rules of conduct for living in the pack. Is there a point? Yes. To be able to live with the pack. And they call us "sheeple".
(October 16, 2013 at 8:57 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I do hate people claiming that humans can survive death ... That's a lot of people and a stupid reason for hating them.
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RE: Is There a Point To Living a Moral Life?
October 17, 2013 at 1:56 pm
(October 17, 2013 at 1:39 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: you get a bit of Christian values through your backdoor. What Christian values are atheists learning by decorating trees and opening presents that a.) they don't already know about, and b.) are particularly wonderful?
Although it's refreshing to see a theist show that they understand the pagan roots of Dec. 25th.
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