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Is religion a lie?
October 20, 2013 at 7:43 am
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Is religion a lie.........?
I want your opinions and why?
I'm not so sure but maybe after keeping those things written down for thousands of years can get misunderstood or tampered with... what do you think?
If religion is not a lie why are there are 4000 religions... every one apart from 1 has to be a lie!!! We have been deceived so much that we can't track back down to prove if it is a lie but it must be. 
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RE: Is religion a lie?
October 20, 2013 at 7:55 am
There are 4000 religions because people are both gullible and stupid. And no every one apart from 1 doesn't have to be a lie. They can all be wrong
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RE: Is religion a lie?
October 20, 2013 at 8:02 am
On an atheist forum the answer is bound to result in most people saying yes religion is a lie.
if you were on a religious forum of any kind then they would probably say the vast majority of religions are lying except the specific one they believe in, and the specific sect they are a part of within that religion.
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RE: Is religion a lie?
October 20, 2013 at 8:12 am
I would not call them lies. A lie implies that the person telling it, knows that what they are saying is wrong or not factually correct. Sure, the religion may have started out as a lie or it may not have done. But no religious person today actually knows if their religion is true or not.
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'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
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RE: Is religion a lie?
October 20, 2013 at 8:15 am
Religions exist.
That's not a lie.
Myths and legends exist. That's true too.
Ignorance, fear and doubt exist too.
Add together, mix well...
Voila! Christianity.
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RE: Is religion a lie?
October 20, 2013 at 8:22 am
(October 20, 2013 at 8:12 am)Rationalman Wrote: I would not call them lies. A lie implies that the person telling it, knows that what they are saying is wrong or not factually correct. Sure, the religion may have started out as a lie or it may not have done. But no religious person today actually knows if their religion is true or not.
I meant where they just "made up" to terrorize people instead of the word "lie/ deceive" then
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RE: Is religion a lie?
October 20, 2013 at 8:54 am
No, religions are - by and large - not deliberate lies (I except Mormonism and a few others) as much as they are simple wrong-headedness.
A lie is a very specific sort of untruth. For instance, suppose you ask me how many eggs I have in my fridge and I answer, 'Six.' You take a look and find seven eggs, whirl and point dramatically and shout 'Liar!' But my answer is only a lie if I knew that I had seven eggs and deliberately misrepresented the number. Otherwise, it's simply a mistake.
Nor do I think that religions are deliberately made up (again, Mormonism) with the intention of terrorizing people. I strongly suspect that religion grew out of a sincere attempt by primitive people to understand the world around them. I can easily imagine Oog spilling water out of a gourd and extrapolating that there is a Great Gourd Spiller in the sky who is responsible for making rain. That being said, I've no doubt that the priest-class of every religion that has one have been guilty of using religion to control people through fear, but that's not quite the same thing you posited. Come to think of it, EVERY power class has used fear in an attempt to control the powerless. Religion isn't unique in this regard.
But we understand what causes rain (and earthquakes and lightning and floods and disease, etc, etc) so why is there still religion? A couple of reasons, I suspect.
Firstly, momentum. People have been religiously-minded ever since they've had time to wonder about things beyond basic necessities. And for most of our history, supernatural explanations for natural phenomena appeared to work. Atheism is the relatively new kid on the block.
Secondly, religion is comforting to religionists. How often have we all said or heard or read, 'Better an honest doubt than a comforting myth' or some such? But discomfort is tough for a lot of people. In general, I don't think religionists are as afraid of punishment for themselves (they seem to want to reserve that for people of different opinions) as they are hopeful of reward.
So, no - religion on the whole isn't a lie, nor is it intentional fiction.
But that doesn't make it true.
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RE: Is religion a lie?
October 20, 2013 at 9:26 am
Some would have started as a lie mormonism and scientology spring to mind.
Others would have been made either as result of genuine delusion or the miss-perception of something.
Others would have started as something else other than religion and acquired dogma and religious trappings later.
One thing I am sure of is that no religion ever was the product of a supernatural entity interacting with people.
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RE: Is religion a lie?
October 20, 2013 at 9:43 am
(October 20, 2013 at 8:22 am)Dolphins are the best Wrote: I meant where they just "made up" to terrorize people instead of the word "lie/ deceive" then
Undoubtedly some were, others may be believed genuinely by whoever came up with them
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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