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RE: Theists, some questions
October 22, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Just remember the 5 Ds of dodgeball: Dodge! Duck! Dip! Dive! And... dodge!
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RE: Theists, some questions
October 22, 2013 at 7:03 pm
(October 22, 2013 at 6:53 pm)Ivy Wrote: No. You don't get it. If you were certain that it was indeed the god that told you to kill someone, would it be ok?
I'd have to know specifically who I was killing and why like you yourself would.
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RE: Theists, some questions
October 22, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Your own child, if you have more than one, pick your favorite. If you don't have kids, pick your favorite loved one
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'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
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RE: Theists, some questions
October 22, 2013 at 7:10 pm
God just told you to trust him and kill them. You're certain it's God telling you.
Also, we resurrect people all the time with technology. How can you claim someone who was thought to be dead and not actually being dead, can only be a miracle?
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RE: Theists, some questions
October 22, 2013 at 7:11 pm
(October 22, 2013 at 7:03 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: (October 22, 2013 at 6:53 pm)Ivy Wrote: No. You don't get it. If you were certain that it was indeed the god that told you to kill someone, would it be ok?
I'd have to know specifically who I was killing and why like you yourself would.
(bold added by me)
So... you would question the god?
Pointing around: "Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, you're cool, fuck you, I'm out!"
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RE: Theists, some questions
October 22, 2013 at 7:27 pm
(This post was last modified: October 22, 2013 at 7:34 pm by Simon Moon.)
(October 22, 2013 at 6:50 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Though we can't actually know that it happened you either believe it happened or you don't believe it happened.
Why should we believe it without evidence and reasoned argument to support that it happened?
Quote:Better to assume that whatever is telling you to kill is not God. Though killing people can be moral like when they shot Osama Bin Laden.
How do you discern the difference between a voice in your mind (or however a god would communicate) that tells you to help needy people in your community, and a voice that tells you to kill?
(October 22, 2013 at 7:03 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: I'd have to know specifically who I was killing and why like you yourself would.
If you knew absolutely that it was God, why are you even questioning the orders?
That sure sounds kind of like you are letting your own morality judge what God ordered you to do.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Theists, some questions
October 22, 2013 at 7:45 pm
(October 22, 2013 at 7:27 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Why should we believe it without evidence and reasoned argument to support that it happened?
You can have reasoned argument for it.
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But you can't know whether it happened or not so you will have to take it on trust AKA faith. I wouldn't base all your belief on God on just this event alone however but for Christianity it's central, if he wasn't raised then it ain't true. But the Muslims or whoever could still be right as they don't believe this happened either, a different faith there.
Quote:How do you discern the difference between a voice in your mind (or however a god would communicate) that tells you to help needy people in your community, and a voice that tells you to kill?
Same way you would as you the difference between right and wrong thanks to Gods Moral Law and you're sane. If you weren't sane and heard voices then you may well kill and claim God told you.
Quote:That sure sounds kind of like you are letting your own morality judge what God ordered you to do.
We're subject to Gods Moral Law so what we have is a conscious, we feel guilt about harming others, feel compassion for others and so on. That's a good guide as to Gods morality there the one written in your heart.
Quote:Welcome to secular morality!
Welcome to Gods Moral Law!
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RE: Theists, some questions
October 22, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Wow, you're really good at dodge ball!
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'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Theists, some questions
October 22, 2013 at 8:00 pm
(This post was last modified: October 22, 2013 at 8:05 pm by Mothonis.)
(October 22, 2013 at 7:45 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: (October 22, 2013 at 7:27 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Why should we believe it without evidence and reasoned argument to support that it happened?
You can have reasoned argument for it.
But you can't know whether it happened or not so you will have to take it on trust AKA faith. I wouldn't base all your belief on God on just this event alone however but for Christianity it's central, if he wasn't raised then it ain't true. But the Muslims or whoever could still be right as they don't believe this happened either, a different faith there.
Quote:How do you discern the difference between a voice in your mind (or however a god would communicate) that tells you to help needy people in your community, and a voice that tells you to kill?
Same way you would as you the difference between right and wrong thanks to Gods Moral Law and you're sane. If you weren't sane and heard voices then you may well kill and claim God told you.
Quote:That sure sounds kind of like you are letting your own morality judge what God ordered you to do.
We're subject to Gods Moral Law so what we have is a conscious, we feel guilt about harming others, feel compassion for others and so on. That's a good guide as to Gods morality there the one written in your heart.
Quote:Welcome to secular morality!
Welcome to Gods Moral Law!
Are you fucking stupid?How could something that doesn't exist be in my heart.Oh and by the way my heart just pumps blood,JUST LIKE YOURS MORON!!! WELLCOME TO THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTERS MORAL LAW.
Morality comes from our evolutionary history.
Gods morals are-Slavery,treating women like garbage,killing non believers,being a racist.
I don't believe in those so... GODS MORAL LAW ISNT IN MY HEART! arguement destroyed!
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RE: Theists, some questions
October 22, 2013 at 8:09 pm
(October 22, 2013 at 6:50 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: (October 21, 2013 at 9:27 am)TheBeardedDude Wrote: In claiming something to be a miracle, is it necessary to know of all possible natural explanations for said event? If so, how can you ever claim it to be a miracle since you cannot possibly know of all possibilities? If not, how can you claim it to be a miracle? (miracle = suspension of the natural order)
There wouldn't be any possible natural physical explanation for the RESURRECTION OF OUR LORD ATTENDED WITH GLORY!
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Though we can't actually know that it happened you either believe it happened or you don't believe it happened.
Quote:If god commanded you to kill someone (for all intents and purposes let's assume we both agree that it is in fact god itself/himself/herself who did indeed tell you to do so), is following god's orders and killing them a moral action? Why or why not?
Better to assume that whatever is telling you to kill is not God. Though killing people can be moral like when they shot Osama Bin Laden.
Whose Lord? Certainly not mine.
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