Chairity wont allow atheist to help.

[Brian37]

It would have been much quieter if they hadn't been turned away. They even offered to do it without wearing their club t-shirts.

But if bigots are handing out free publicity, who are the upstate atheists to turn them down?

One is a club for like-minded individuals, the other is a charity for the hungry. I don't believe the distinction is too difficult for you to grasp. It's a private charity and they are within their rights to turn away any voluteers they choose...and the volunteers who are turned away are well within their rights to draw attention to the rejection.

Maybe the Spartanburg Soup Kitchen should rename itself the Spartanburg Christian Soup Kitchen, and have a little honesty in their advertising.

Maybe you should read their mission statement.
http://www.helpthekitchen.org/Our_Mission.html

So honest narcissism is ok? Read the last line of that statement.

Its ultimately all about selling god, not simply doing good without expectation.

Why does an all powerful god need "glory"? Seems to me he already has enough cheerleader salesmen.

[Esquilax]

I find it amusing that the christian is willing to go to lies of omission in order to prove his point.

What lies of omission? Unlike you I've been striving to speak factually on the topic. I even noted a point that I discovered which I knew would hurt my position. That's going above and beyond typical standards.

Lemme break it down for you: atheist group gets barred from soup kitchen for being atheists. The atheists- while still being atheists- individually falsely represent themselves as christian, or at least not atheists, in order to attend anyway. You are endorsing that they be dishonest about the point of contention between them and the soup kitchen to get what they want.

Very Christ-like.

[Mister Agenda]

It's disputed whether they offered that. The one member's comment to a news article lends support to the kitchen's claim that they didn't.

The comment where a member is disappointed that they can't wear their t-shirts and never says anything about not being willing to forego the t-shirt if needed? Really? And you wonder why we think you sound desperate?

Yes. Christian groups should be allowed to limit themselves to Christians, and atheist groups should be allowed to limit themselves to atheists, and so on. Note that this isn't an employment issue, and the kitchen's site says it feeds anyone who comes, with no religious requirements.

It also doesn't say anything about religious requirements for volunteers. There's literally no clue until you ask that atheists aren't welcome to volunteer.

In short, the atheists got their feelings hurt, and are making a stink about it.

Yeah, like any other demographic that gets discriminated against does. Not even minority groups, you should hear the Christians squawk if someone dares to step on their toes.

Again, we don't know that.

We only know what was reported to have been said. So do you. We are in the enviable position of not having to imagine what might have been said or not said in order to argue our point. Verbatim quotes work fine for us.

they're rejecting people just because they're not christians.

Yes, as they're a Christian organization. Duh.

Even I think better of most Christian organizations that you do, John, apparently.

[CleanShavenJesus]

Got this story off another FB friend's page.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/24/so...volunteer/

Bunch of pricks. I volunteer at charities that work out of two local churches, one Catholic and one Protestant, and neither of them care what religious affiliation you are. You're there to help out, that's all that matters.

Shame this charity won't realize that.

[Owlix]

Our volunteers and supporters are a valued asset and we know that they are essential to our success.

Maybe she was so busy she forgot the mission statement of the organization, because she also hasn't updated the 'news from the kitchen' since March.
http://www.helpthekitchen.org/News_from_...tchen.html

[John V]

Lemme break it down for you: atheist group gets barred from soup kitchen for being atheists. The atheists- while still being atheists- individually falsely represent themselves as christian, or at least not atheists, in order to attend anyway. You are endorsing that they be dishonest about the point of contention between them and the soup kitchen to get what they want.

Very Christ-like.

Seriously? I'm lying by omission by suggesting that they could have volunteered simply by not saying anything about their beliefs?

[Owlix]

Lemme break it down for you: atheist group gets barred from soup kitchen for being atheists. The atheists- while still being atheists- individually falsely represent themselves as christian, or at least not atheists, in order to attend anyway. You are endorsing that they be dishonest about the point of contention between them and the soup kitchen to get what they want.


Very Christ-like.

Seriously? I'm lying by omission by suggesting that they could have volunteered simply by not saying anything about their beliefs?

A "lie by omission" is a misrepresentation of fact when the failure to say something or to provide complete information would lead a reasonable person to an incorrect conclusion.

As defined by Yahoo


But since most christians don't seem to be reasonable, well who knows?

[John V]

You mean sneak in hoping Landrum will assume they're Christians if they don't say anything.

No, I mean just call up and volunteer.

That wouldn't be very honest, now would it?

It wouldn't be dishonest.

The days when atheists are so afraid of the tyranny of the Christian majority that you can count on them to hide from you are over. I understand why you wish you could go back to pretending we're odd rarities you might only meet once in a lifetime, though.

They have nine people signed up for one two-hour event. I'm not shaking in my boots.

[Esquilax]

Seriously? I'm lying by omission by suggesting that they could have volunteered simply by not saying anything about their beliefs?

Once they've been barred the first time and are proceeding under the knowledge that what they're hiding would get them stopped if found out, yes, that's exactly what you're doing.

Scoffing arrogance and over-confidence doesn't count as an argument, by the way. I'm sorry, I know it's your modus operandi, but someone needed to tell you.

[Mister Agenda]

Oh noes! Theists not allowed to be members of an atheist club! The horror! It's like atheists not being able to be members of a Christian church, and...that would be pretty much an exact equivalence. And you don't hear us complaining that we can't join your churches.

No, you're complaining that you can't join our charities. You should've thought this out a little before sticking your foot in your mouth. I'm on record as agreeing that atheists should be able to exclude theists and vice versa.

And charities are not the same thing as churches. I really don't believe you're too stupid to get the difference. Atheist charities shouldn't exclude any theists who want to contribute to the cause...but I'm unaware of any that do, and I bet you are, too. That must gall you, because your sole motivation here is defending Team Christianity, right or wrong. That's one of the reasons I have no respect for you...and I gave up the free respect I grant all newcomers by inches, in hopes that you would start showing some integrity at some point.