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RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
October 27, 2013 at 9:43 pm
(October 27, 2013 at 7:53 pm)Tkcjpii Wrote: Wow, impressive! Someone on this site actually quoted Anselm! There is hope for this forum after all! Someone made a cogent argument, instead of the regular f-bombs and downtalking, like cornered animals. Love it. wonder if he's an atheist?!?!
Er, thanks? I'll just take that bit at that.
Technically, I'm quoting Immanuel Kant's critique of St. Anselm's argument. I find Kant's and Hume's critiques of ontological arguments powerful and convincing, so it's no wonder I would post 'em. :p
Anyone familiar enough with mathematics and formal logic to know the real ramifications of this? The article isn't clear to me.
If it is an actual valid and sound proof of God's existence, I guess I'm a theist. I think there are still problems with the concept that might show a definite unsoundness with the argument, but it will definitely be a thorn in atheists' sides.
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RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
October 27, 2013 at 11:01 pm
(October 27, 2013 at 7:53 pm)Tkcjpii Wrote: Wow, impressive! Someone on this site actually quoted Anselm! There is hope for this forum after all! Someone made a cogent argument, instead of the regular f-bombs and downtalking, like cornered animals. Love it. wonder if he's an atheist?!?!
You're a cocky bitch, ain'tcha?
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RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
October 28, 2013 at 1:26 am
(October 27, 2013 at 9:43 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: (October 27, 2013 at 7:53 pm)Tkcjpii Wrote: Wow, impressive! Someone on this site actually quoted Anselm! There is hope for this forum after all! Someone made a cogent argument, instead of the regular f-bombs and downtalking, like cornered animals. Love it. wonder if he's an atheist?!?!
Er, thanks? I'll just take that bit at that.
Technically, I'm quoting Immanuel Kant's critique of St. Anselm's argument. I find Kant's and Hume's critiques of ontological arguments powerful and convincing, so it's no wonder I would post 'em. :p
Anyone familiar enough with mathematics and formal logic to know the real ramifications of this? The article isn't clear to me.
If it is an actual valid and sound proof of God's existence, I guess I'm a theist. I think there are still problems with the concept that might show a definite unsoundness with the argument, but it will definitely be a thorn in atheists' sides.
God can no more be proven by math and computers than, I can prove God by saying He exist. To come to God is by faith and belief comes God working through that faith and knowledge of God comes from god's work through belief. God says on this subject that no man can deny He exists because of His creation, yet He says nothing about accepting He did and is real. This statement will made clear at the judgement.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
October 28, 2013 at 1:28 am
(October 28, 2013 at 1:26 am)Godschild Wrote: God can no more be proven by math and computers than, I can prove God by saying He exist. To come to God is by faith and belief comes God working through that faith and knowledge of God comes from god's work through belief. God says on this subject that no man can deny He exists because of His creation, yet He says nothing about accepting He did and is real. This statement will made clear at the judgement.
GC
Are you even trying any more, or do you just have a hotkey for trite religious platitudes?
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RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
October 28, 2013 at 2:02 am
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(October 28, 2013 at 1:28 am)Esquilax Wrote: Are you even trying any more, or do you just have a hotkey for trite religious platitudes?
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RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
October 28, 2013 at 6:12 am
what... rubbish
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RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
October 28, 2013 at 7:01 am
As my maths teacher would have said...
Excellent. Well done for showing your working ... all valid...
... but that bit at the beginning...
... you forgot to define 'x'.
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RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
October 28, 2013 at 7:06 am
Fails due to the Christian God being far from my idea of the perfect being. He is not the most perfect being imaginable by a long way. He doesn't even make the top 1000.
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RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
October 28, 2013 at 11:22 am
(October 28, 2013 at 1:26 am)Godschild Wrote: God can no more be proven by math and computers than, I can prove God by saying He exist.
You thereby give up any sense of justification for your belief in God. Congrats.
Quote:To come to God is by faith and belief comes God working through that faith and knowledge of God comes from god's work through belief. God says on this subject that no man can deny He exists because of His creation, yet He says nothing about accepting He did and is real. This statement will made clear at the judgement.
GC
I deny he exists. I see 'creation' and do not conclude he exists. Further, this is a fundamental contradiction with what you just said. If by the fact of creation I cannot deny God exists, that means such is in some sense a proof. And you've contradicted yourself again. To say God's existence is undeniable because of his creation, and then to say God says nothing about accepting that he's real is contradictory.
And if the truth of your religion is predicated on it being true that everyone believes he exists but simply pretends otherwise, it becomes even more impossible for me to accept your religion because under that I ALREADY know it to be false because I already know that I don't believe your God exists.
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RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
October 28, 2013 at 12:24 pm
Godschild Wrote:This statement will made clear at the judgement.
Right, and until I can be proven to die, I am immortal. Extrapolation at its worst.
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