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Yahweh, the Devil, and Job

Poll: What do you think of this story in the Book of Job?
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It's a completely literal story that should inspire Christians to do right.
6.67%
 2 6.67%
Yahweh is way to concerned about how much people love him.
16.67%
 5 16.67%
It's completely the Devil's fault.
3.33%
 1 3.33%
God works in mysterious ways.
3.33%
 1 3.33%
Both god and the devil are a couple of wicked wicked horrible, self-absorbed characters in a fictional story.
63.33%
 19 63.33%
I'm proud to be a sheep. This is a great story.
6.67%
 2 6.67%
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job
November 8, 2013 at 10:22 am (This post was last modified: November 8, 2013 at 10:28 am by Mystical.)
Nah john we are talking your hypothetical not mine. The one where millions of fat overfed overdressed self righteous believers go to their white picket fence church once a week to hear how special they are to a god who obviously doesn't have a plan for those who don't own SUVs.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job
November 8, 2013 at 10:22 am
(November 8, 2013 at 9:49 am)John V Wrote: In Job, God derives pleasure and glory from Job's obedience. He allows Job to suffer, as obedience through suffering is greater than obedience with reward, and so would bring God greater pleasure.

Once again, god acts less like a deity and more like a powerful human.

(November 8, 2013 at 9:49 am)John V Wrote: I don't judge god for doing this because I do the same thing. So do you, and probably everyone on here. We place our own pleasure and glory above the suffering of others all the time. The difference between me and you is that I admit it, but you'll attempt to rationalize it.

Two problems with this. God is deriving his pleasure directly from the suffering, not simply placing his pleasure above the suffering of others, which I doubt is something you'll find many people here actually do.

Also, the reason we place our own pleasure above the suffering of others is due to the fact that we are not omnipotent and have finite resources. If I had the powers of a god, you can bet your ass that I wouldn't do that, but you'll just attempt to rationalize why an omnipotent god can be so lazy and callous.
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job
November 8, 2013 at 10:26 am
(November 8, 2013 at 10:19 am)ronedee Wrote: What's stopping you from helping all those starving babies?

How about the fact that I have to spend the majority of my resources to put food on the table for my own family? What's your god's excuse?
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job
November 8, 2013 at 10:35 am
(November 8, 2013 at 10:19 am)ronedee Wrote:
(November 8, 2013 at 10:01 am)missluckie26 Wrote: [Image: starving-children-africa.jpg]

so to paraphrase: this brings pleasure and glory to god because they are singing Jesus loves me to the grave.

That would make sense if he was an evil fucking asshole, which u claim he's not.

What's stopping you from helping all those starving babies?

If you and your hordes of anti's got together you could save thousands of them!

But NO...complain to Christians who far and away help more people than just about anyone else in the world! Get a clue missy.

God helps those who help themselves.


God helps those who help themselves. You to tell those little babies eyes that. Bring bug spray, there's gonna be flies..
I'd name off all the charities I've been involved in, in the last year alone (even church organized ones), but then I'd remind myself that you are a mother Teresa lover of suffering and get upset. So nah.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job
November 8, 2013 at 10:38 am
(November 8, 2013 at 10:26 am)Faith No More Wrote:
(November 8, 2013 at 10:19 am)ronedee Wrote: What's stopping you from helping all those starving babies?

How about the fact that I have to spend the majority of my resources to put food on the table for my own family? What's your god's excuse?

Ask Him.
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job
November 8, 2013 at 10:46 am
Kay.

God, Y U no feed starving children?
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job
November 8, 2013 at 10:49 am (This post was last modified: November 8, 2013 at 10:51 am by Mystical.)
Kay is god now! that's right bitches. That makes me #1!

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If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job
November 8, 2013 at 10:49 am
(November 8, 2013 at 10:38 am)ronedee Wrote: Ask Him.

How do I ask a figment of your imagination anything?
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job
November 8, 2013 at 11:00 am
(November 8, 2013 at 10:49 am)Faith No More Wrote:
(November 8, 2013 at 10:38 am)ronedee Wrote: Ask Him.

How do I ask a figment of your imagination anything?

uh...... billions....and BILLIONS of imaginations!
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November 8, 2013 at 11:13 am
(November 8, 2013 at 11:00 am)ronedee Wrote: uh...... billions....and BILLIONS of imaginations!

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