The Men's Rights Movement: I Just Don't Get It.

[Lemonvariable72]

Do you fuckers even read what was said in this thread about equality?

Could you clarify?

[LastPoet]

Could you clarify?

Read the thread from the beginning again, specially Tiberius & Syn's posts.

[Zazzy]

@Zazzy
I'm sorry but your assertion that women are somehow less violent then men is bunk. While women do have lower violent crime statistics what I would invite you to do is talk to a local high school princple. My experience is that girls tend to as much as boys do.

I was a public high school teacher for 10+ years, and I've been working in public high schools off and on for the past 6+ years during grad school, and that's total BS (unless you're in a gang school, and then it's just BS and not TOTAL BS). Girls fight NOWHERE NEAR as much as boys do.

Infact when girls would fight, it had a tendency to get more viscious faster .

This may be true, but since they physically fight way less, it's a moot point.

The reason for that is because when men fight one on one there are rules your expected to adhere too.

That's not a sexist statement or anything.

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. Lesbians can be refreshing because with straight or bisexual women, I always have to wear a certain face.

I hope someday you will realize how horribly misogynistic that sounds.

My apologies, it certainly wasn't meant that way. There's just no sexual element in that situation which can make such friendships fun. But don't pretend you don't act different around a potential mate. Everyone does, not just me. Tbh, I'm not entirely sure where you're coming from with this.

[Lemonvariable72]

@Zazzy
I'm sorry but your assertion that women are somehow less violent then men is bunk. While women do have lower violent crime statistics what I would invite you to do is talk to a local high school princple. My experience is that girls tend to as much as boys do.

I was a public high school teacher for 10+ years, and I've been working in public high schools off and on for the past 6+ years during grad school, and that's total BS (unless you're in a gang school, and then it's just BS and not TOTAL BS). Girls fight NOWHERE NEAR as much as boys do.

Infact when girls would fight, it had a tendency to get more viscious faster .

This may be true, but since they physically fight way less, it's a moot point.

The reason for that is because when men fight one on one there are rules your expected to adhere too.

That's not a sexist statement or anything.

What its now sexist for me to refer to part of a gender role that men are expected to adhere to? Because that's what it is part of a gender role on the part of men, the same thing that many women rightly fought against. All I was stating was that it exists and it has a effect. But yet claiming the fact threat women are less violent is sexist especiy when it is not true.

[Bipolar Bob]

I hope someday you will realize how horribly misogynistic that sounds.

My apologies, it certainly wasn't meant that way. There's just no sexual element in that situation which can make such friendships fun. But don't pretend you don't act different around a potential mate. Everyone does, not just me. Tbh, I'm not entirely sure where you're coming from with this.

What you are saying is that with straight and bisexual women you have to put on a façade, that you believe it is normal for you to be fundamentally dishonest with straight and bisexual women. That you do not trust them or yourself enough to just be yourself. You have targeted a certain group of people to be dishonest with.

That is not only misogynistic but I could see it as self-loathing and misandristic.

[Zazzy]

[bladevalant546]

@ Optimistic Misanthrope:
Point taken. There have been some women warpigs. They're a minority, but they've been responsible for much conflict.
@bladevalant:
I have to think about your take on patriarchy. I don't think anyone consciously thinks they are propping up a patriarchy (with the exception of my horrible uncle and his ilk), but they are (WE are) aften doing just that. Women have been as guilty as men of supporting patriarchal ideas- feminism is largely about owning that responsibility and losing that mindset. Do we need a new word for it? Maybe. I still think every time you turn on the TV you can still see the old patriarchal archetypes at play (although we've added new ones that do portray men poorly as well).

I also don't believe that educated women of means are oppressed in the field of reproduction. I think any given man has fewer reproductive rights than I do. But it's a classist argument. Poor, uneducated women remain oppressed reproductively. And frankly, class is important in this entire discussion. If you want to see real old-fashioned patriarchy in action, visit some poor rural Southern areas. It's like the last 200 years never happened for many women there. Much of what we're discusssing here we're doing from a privileged vantage point.

I'd like to know what terminnology you think is more appropriate than "patriarchy," since it may, in educated circles, be a word whose time has come and gone.

*edited for spelling

Reasons I disagree with the term patriarchy is that 1.
a form of social organization in which the father is the supreme authority in the family, clan, or tribe and descent is reckoned in the male line, with the children belonging to the father's clan or tribe. 2. a society, community, or country based on this social organization. I just do not see that definition and how it applies in the government or systems of power. With that said, this is only applicable in the context of the modern era. However, I live I Louisiana and I see what you are referring to in regard to reproductive rights. So again it another extreme that we need to address. I will summarize simply with this, we need to use logic, reason and rationality here, and choose what’s best for both sides not just one side for real solutions to take hold. I think the best word to describe what is happening today would ne Monetary Feudalism. If you do not have a lot of money you are irrelevant to them and having power. Money is the defining part in intuitional inequality in today’s current world.

Thanks for the question i think it is a fair discussion.

[FlyingNarwhal]

[Bad Wolf]

What its now sexist for me to refer to part of a gender role that men are expected to adhere to? Because that's what it is part of a gender role on the part of men, the same thing that many women rightly fought against. All I was stating was that it exists and it has a effect. But yet claiming the fact threat women are less violent is sexist especiy when it is not true.

Men are more violent. It's because we have more testosterone. Testosterone causes aggression. Aggression leads to violence. Its nothing to be ashamed of or anything. We are products of evolution, men are naturally more aggressive and so more likely to be violent.