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RE: Proof christianity is false
November 16, 2013 at 11:19 am
Much of this assumes biblical fundamentalism, which is not taken seriously amongst biblical theologians.
Would being morally perfect require you to remove the ability of others to be morally imperfect.
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RE: Proof christianity is false
November 16, 2013 at 12:52 pm
(November 16, 2013 at 11:19 am)wallym Wrote: Much of this assumes biblical fundamentalism, which is not taken seriously amongst biblical theologians.
Would being morally perfect require you to remove the ability of others to be morally imperfect. Could you elaborate?
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Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
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RE: Proof christianity is false
November 16, 2013 at 1:16 pm
(November 16, 2013 at 10:29 am)Searching4truth Wrote: It was a comparison of scripture directly from the books of the Christian Bible. Those writing are the foundation of which the religion(s) of Christianity were/are built. Each sect of Christianity is different (all 41,000) of them, so the interpretations within the denominations differ as far as belief goes but the scriptures are written in stone. Can't be much more plain than that Then what you are saying is that the scriptures are, in places, demonstrably untrue. I'd agree with that. But to reiterate, the religion is an outgrowth of the scripture. It cannot be either true or false.
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RE: Proof christianity is false
November 16, 2013 at 1:22 pm
(November 16, 2013 at 12:52 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (November 16, 2013 at 11:19 am)wallym Wrote: Much of this assumes biblical fundamentalism, which is not taken seriously amongst biblical theologians.
Would being morally perfect require you to remove the ability of others to be morally imperfect. Could you elaborate?
Well, would an all powerful, morally perfect being have a moral obligation to remove the moral imperfections of others?
I'm inclined to say yes. I think it would be immoral if you had the power to prevent an immoral action but allowed it through inaction. Kinda like the first law of robotics
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RE: Proof christianity is false
November 16, 2013 at 4:09 pm
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(November 16, 2013 at 12:52 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (November 16, 2013 at 11:19 am)wallym Wrote: Much of this assumes biblical fundamentalism, which is not taken seriously amongst biblical theologians.
Would being morally perfect require you to remove the ability of others to be morally imperfect. Could you elaborate?
Re: Biblical fundamentalism, modern biblical theologians don't view the bible as a literal text. They don't think Moses lived to be 900 or there was a flood that wiped out humanity, or even that the accounts of the Gospel are without 'flavor' based on the motivations of the authors and the times they lived in.
(November 16, 2013 at 1:22 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: I'm inclined to say yes. I think it would be immoral if you had the power to prevent an immoral action but allowed it through inaction. Kinda like the first law of robotics
That's certainly one way to look at it. But then you'd have to create robots to get that result. It's an interesting debate over whether or not our free will is a flaw or a gift.
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RE: Proof christianity is false
November 16, 2013 at 5:13 pm
(November 16, 2013 at 4:09 pm)wallym Wrote: (November 16, 2013 at 12:52 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Could you elaborate?
Re: Biblical fundamentalism, modern biblical theologians don't view the bible as a literal text. They don't think Moses lived to be 900 or there was a flood that wiped out humanity, or even that the accounts of the Gospel are without 'flavor' based on the motivations of the authors and the times they lived in.
(November 16, 2013 at 1:22 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: I'm inclined to say yes. I think it would be immoral if you had the power to prevent an immoral action but allowed it through inaction. Kinda like the first law of robotics
That's certainly one way to look at it. But then you'd have to create robots to get that result. It's an interesting debate over whether or not our free will is a flaw or a gift.
Then who's original sin are we suppose to pay if the garden of eden and what not is just a allegory.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Proof christianity is false
November 16, 2013 at 6:13 pm
(November 16, 2013 at 5:13 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (November 16, 2013 at 4:09 pm)wallym Wrote: Re: Biblical fundamentalism, modern biblical theologians don't view the bible as a literal text. They don't think Moses lived to be 900 or there was a flood that wiped out humanity, or even that the accounts of the Gospel are without 'flavor' based on the motivations of the authors and the times they lived in.
That's certainly one way to look at it. But then you'd have to create robots to get that result. It's an interesting debate over whether or not our free will is a flaw or a gift.
Then who's original sin are we suppose to pay if the garden of eden and what not is just a allegory.
I don't know about all religions, but Catholicism teaches a person isn't born guilty of said original sin.
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RE: Proof christianity is false
November 16, 2013 at 6:19 pm
Proof Christianity Is False
- Because I say so.
- Because I wrote this.
- Because I am not capable of lying.
- Because this, that I write says so.
. < that's a period!
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RE: Proof christianity is false
November 16, 2013 at 6:19 pm
(November 16, 2013 at 5:13 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (November 16, 2013 at 4:09 pm)wallym Wrote: Re: Biblical fundamentalism, modern biblical theologians don't view the bible as a literal text. They don't think Moses lived to be 900 or there was a flood that wiped out humanity, or even that the accounts of the Gospel are without 'flavor' based on the motivations of the authors and the times they lived in.
That's certainly one way to look at it. But then you'd have to create robots to get that result. It's an interesting debate over whether or not our free will is a flaw or a gift.
Then who's original sin are we suppose to pay if the garden of eden and what not is just a allegory.
Some of my sins are fairly original. You can pay for those if you like :p
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RE: Proof christianity is false
December 3, 2013 at 6:04 pm
(November 16, 2013 at 6:19 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: (November 16, 2013 at 5:13 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Then who's original sin are we suppose to pay if the garden of eden and what not is just a allegory.
Some of my sins are fairly original. You can pay for those if you like :p
Just saw the asimov reference, just finished the caves of steel.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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