What things do I have faith in?

[Zazzy]

EVERYONE loves boobs, Ivy. They're beautiful.

[Ryantology]

My thinking is: the ONLY thing propping up both gods and economics is belief in something that is not real, and has no intrinsic value. Only the belief (faith) that your money will buy you something makes it valuable to you. The fact that we all share the faith- that the guy at the store believes it, too, and will take it in exchange for a good- would seem to further the religious metaphor: people prop each others' faiths up in gods and in money- but it is faith. There is no evidence that money is valuable or real EXCEPT THAT WE BELIEVE IT. There is no evidence that god is valuable or real EXCEPT THAT BELIEVERS believe it.

Is that full of shit, or does the argument hold?

You're right, but there's a big difference between God and money. Believers consider their God to be real, to be the reason anything real exists. Economics works fine without believing that intrinsic value is a real thing. Indeed, economics kind of relies on intrinsic value not existing. Economics functions on the idea that everybody will assign different subjective values to different things.

Money does not exist with the purpose of having intrinsic value. It is a tool to make transactions better for everybody. Let's say you're selling wheat because you want to buy a cow, a barn, and some chickens from somebody else. You could simply trade your wheat to someone who has these things, but only if they want your wheat. Likewise, if someone who didn't have these things wanted your wheat, you could trade them for what they did have, but then you'd have to sell that yourself. The reason we have money is because you could sell that wheat for x amount of money, and then you could give that money to someone for the barn and livestock, who could then give that money to other people to buy what they need. That's all money is for.

That's why I look at the people who talk about selling all their paper money for gold and I laugh. Gold is worth no more than paper, intrinsically. In a worldwide economic disaster, you might as well use gold bricks for legos.

[Jackalope]

You go to bed with the faith you'll wake up in the morning.

I most certainly do not. I know that there's a non-zero chance that I will die in my sleep on any given night, or that I will not sleep at all. There's also a non-zero chance that I will oversleep and wake up in the afternoon, but that's a little pedantic.

On the other hand, I *do* believe that when I go to bed, I will *probably* wake up in the morning - and I have justifiable reasons for believing that.

No faith required.

[The Reality Salesman01]

You go to bed with the faith you'll wake up in the morning.

GC

And there it is! Right on time!

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If somebody is on life support, and I pull the plug, why is it that you would recognize a decrease in their chances of waking up?

Would it have something to do with evidence?

Conversely, if somebody was in seemingly perfect health, would you give them a higher probability of waking up?

Clearly there's no way to know for certain, but at times, there is better reason to believe some will wake up tomorrow while recognizing that there are others that may not be so lucky.

GC makes the definition of faith obvious when he uses examples like the one above.

Faith: Pretending to know things you don't know.

Personally, I try to minimize the amount of times I do that. To people like GC, it's a virtue to pretend to know things one doesn't know.

[NoraBrimstone]

You go to bed with the faith you'll wake up in the morning.

GC

That was quite a wild assumption to make about a stranger on the internet. Not everyone goes to bed with "the faith" they'll wake up in the morning. I for one, often have trouble sleeping because I know I could die in my sleep.
However, the fact that people have gone to sleep every night of their lives and woken up the next morning doesn't give them "faith" that they will wake up the next morning, but when something happens the same consistently throughout your life, you just come to expect it regardless of "faith".