The question that makes fundies hostile

[Jacob(smooth)]

I get that too, but only for some bits.

Do you have a similar experience with any other religious or secular texts?

Only through the studying of God's word.

GC

That's a good reason to believe in the bible... if you are confident that what you feel really is divine revalation.

Personally I get much the same feeling of "rightness" from many different authors and religious texts. And the bible of course, but only some parts of it.

Kinda makes sense. Except that one or both of us are wrong about our feeling.

[Rayaan]

And the bible of course, but only some parts of it.

Cherry-picking, in other words.

[Bad Writer]

It feels right when I watch porn. REALLY right.

[Godscreated]

I do not believe because it feels good or feels right, doing something for those reasons would be wrong. I believe because I know God is real and that what He offers is best for mankind.

You can't prove that and you know it so you have to believe it and make excuses to believe it in the face of reality. That is called willful ignorance.

"Offers is best for mankind"? Like what? Child molesters? Childhood cancer? Children dying from famine? Hurricanes, tornados, tsunamis, dark ages, slavery, sexism, homophobia, holocaust, 9/11?

Sounds like a deadbeat to me if he can stop those things but refuses to.

I have no need to prove it to you, the important thing is that I believe what God has demonstrated to me. He gave the knowledge of His existence to me because I searched for it.
Willful ignorance belongs to those who deny the truth, not to those who accept it.

You want God to bale man out for what he has made of this creation, kind of petty don't you think.

GC

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I'm not morally superior to any one, are my morals better than some, yes. I try and live to the standards God has set for His children. It's you guys who want to say I present myself as morally superior, I believe it's because you do not understand that my beliefs are unchanging on most moral issues.

Let me help you out of this contradiction real quick. You say "I'm not morally superior to any one..." and then you turn around and say "I try and live to the standards God has set for His children." Based on the second quote, is it any wonder why we say that you believe you are morally superior? You try to obey a law that you attribute to your god, who you believe to be the supreme moral authority in the universe. Unlike some people, we can do math, and we understand that 1+1=2. We put the pieces together and, viola! we have a Christian trying to follow his god's ultimate laws, which gives him a sense of moral superiority. If you truly believe that you are NOT, as you mentioned, morally superior to others, then the question being begged is "Does that mean you believe there's a more moral law out there somewhere?" (Yes, that is what that means.)

You're just plain stupid, you attribute to me moral superiority after I just explained I'm not. You make up crap to accuse others of things thy are not to what, make yourself feel superior to others, so in reality you are the smug little brat. You like reading into others what you want to see and not what in reality the person is, this is nothing more than judgmental. So in conclusion you've self promoted yourself above those you disagree with.
Following God's law does not give me a sense of moral superiority, the scriptures actually teaches against this. Jesus parable on the log in one's eye.

I do not believe in treating people as less than what God deems them to be and as far as I can tell they are all just as important to Him as I am. As far as harmless ideas, hate crimes and ect. if they lead to degradation of man according to God then yes I'm in accordance with Him. Sorry if you find this unpleasant, but I have to live by what I see as truth, whether you believe as I do or not.

That was "suppression" of harmless ideas. Just making sure you don't misrepresent what I said, though I believe you didn't mean to. So you're admitting that such things are in accordance with god's will (hate crimes, bigotry, etc.)? That's what I got from what you just wrote, and I hope that's not what you really mean. (I'm getting the feeling that you're getting a little hazy here on the rebuttal; I don't want this to turn into an ugly shouting match like times before, you know, so I'm just being cautious.)

Yes I did read it wrong, there are those who would use the Bible to bring harm to others, I do not read such in scriptures, you need to blame the guilty, not God. I do agree with God on those things that bring harm to man kind, the practice of homosexuality, premarital sex, drug use and ect. You seem to be like so many others and believe I could hate or that the scriptures teach hate of people, when in reality it's the hate of their actions. If homosexuals can't help the way they feel there's no reason to hate that person, if they act upon that, I disagree with the action because I believe it's harmful and the same for other actions. People are not to be hated and I've never suggested I do, but I have been told on this site by atheist that they hate me and why, because I make a stand and want budge toward the way others want me to think.

I do not believe because it feels good or feels right, doing something for those reasons would be wrong. I believe because I know God is real and that what He offers is best for mankind.

What he offers is for a small group of people. (That's if he's even real and offering anything in the first place.)

No it's not, the offer is to all, the NT is very clear about this. Do you call a group of several hundred million small?

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Only through the studying of God's word.

GC

That's a good reason to believe in the bible... if you are confident that what you feel really is divine revalation.

Personally I get much the same feeling of "rightness" from many different authors and religious texts. And the bible of course, but only some parts of it.

Kinda makes sense. Except that one or both of us are wrong about our feeling.

What you refer to as feelings for me is knowledge. I get feelings from other religious text, but if they do not agree with scripture then I dismiss them.

[Esquilax]

I have no need to prove it to you, the important thing is that I believe what God has demonstrated to me. He gave the knowledge of His existence to me because I searched for it.

Can I ask why you bother coming here, if you have no interest in demonstrating your belief system? What is it you actually gain?

[Bad Wolf]

How exactly is homosexual sex harmful GC?

[Jacob(smooth)]

And the bible of course, but only some parts of it.

Cherry-picking, in other words.

No, not no in other words, those are the exact words.

[Mystical]

I have no need to prove it to you, the important thing is that I believe what God has demonstrated to me. He gave the knowledge of His existence to me because I searched for it.

Can I ask why you bother coming here, if you have no interest in demonstrating your belief system? What is it you actually gain?

Honey, he simply has nothing to demonstrate, is all. He knows his opinion is based on nothing but bigotry at best, or 2000 yr old bigotry at worst.
He'd rather retain some sort of ambiguity in his reasoning rather than face facts and truth. But then, I'm sure you already know that..

[Tonus]

He knows his opinion is based on nothing but bigotry at best, or 2000 yr old bigotry at worst.

Good to know that our bigotry has improved in the last 2,000 years.

[Brian37]

I have no need to prove it to you,

Then why are you here posting on this forum. Certainly no one is going to force you off this forum. If anything I like the fact you've taken a beating all this time.

I agree that you can't be forced to legally prove the existence of your claimed sky hero. But don't expect anyone here to take you seriously if you have no evidence.

Human perception in very evolutionary biological terms is notoriously flawed. Your "evidence" to you is really nothing more than a mental version of seeing shapes in the clouds. "This happened" so "this must be the reason". That is not evidence, that is merely filling in the gap.

I know what it is like to have those feelings, I used to believe myself and just as intensely as you seem to think it is real. But you fail to consider that the real NATURAL reason you believe is because it feels right to you.