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The question that makes fundies hostile
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 (November 27, 2013 at 3:07 pm)Simplyalex Wrote:(November 25, 2013 at 5:56 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: I don't understand why it has to be one or the other? I don't see why we HAVE to compromise our values/conscientious objections. Even if it were about picking the least worst, I'm still going oppose both. By the way, welcome to AF 
 RE: The question that makes fundies hostile
November 27, 2013 at 5:12 pm
(This post was last modified: November 27, 2013 at 5:21 pm by WesOlsen.)
I like the bit in the bible in which Jesus gives rulings regarding how hard to beat slaves. I like the bit where he doesn't condemn slavery too. Some nights I read the bible and some nights I read the hungry caterpillar, depends what sorta bedtime story i'm in the mood for.
(November 25, 2013 at 5:30 pm)Lion IRC Wrote:(November 25, 2013 at 4:27 pm)Godlesspanther Wrote: I have noticed that if you ask a fundie whether they would prefer to live in a society in which same-sex marriage is legal or a society that allows slavery -- they get mad. Presumably your heterosexual feelings come from deep within you, part of your identity right? And presumably the same can't be said for homosexuals, who are actually heterosexual but chose to gay things because satan crawled in to their cocks and made them all derp derp? Did I also see someone say that slavery was basically preferable to homosexuality? I find it hillarious how some fundies still see gayness as this fucking evil sheet of shit swooping down on society, rather than just some thing that shouldn't really bother anyone. Some theists really are fucking cunts.  Quote:Some theists really are fucking cunts. Some of us are, yes!  The rest pop our winkies into other places.  But I have to say, I prefer option A.
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken." Sith code (November 27, 2013 at 5:12 pm)WesOlsen Wrote: I like the bit in the bible in which Jesus gives rulings regarding how hard to beat slaves. I like the bit where he doesn't condemn slavery too. Some nights I read the bible and some nights I read the hungry caterpillar, depends what sorta bedtime story i'm in the mood for. I was born male. Apparently around half the human species is male. For some reason there is a nearly perfect gender balance in our species and, as a species, we avoid extinction by Darwinian/biblical OPPOSITE GENDER sexual selection and procreation. Yep. Heterosexual 'feelings' are pretty normal where I come from. ...a little place called Earth. And guess what? Even though, as a heterosexual male with male biological anatomy, and heterosexual 'feelings' such that I find the opposite sex highly attractive, I nonetheless do NOT think committing adultery is OK. IOW - people can and do exercise deliberate choices about their sexual behaviour options. 
Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator  Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope? (November 27, 2013 at 8:33 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: IOW - people can and do exercise deliberate choices about their sexual behaviour options. Yes people do have a choice about their sexual behaviour. But they do not choose their sexual orientation.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech  (November 27, 2013 at 12:06 am)Lion IRC Wrote:(November 26, 2013 at 11:16 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: If someone is a slave, they don't have a rightful wage and so their owner cannot withhold said wage. No theft. Quote mine away dear boy, I'm sure your god won't mind you breaking the 9th commandment. Although I'd appreciate it if you could put the quote into it's proper context if you are ever called on it; i.e. a refutation of your claim that slavery is forbidden under the 8th commandment. Other than that minor quibble, have fun playing quote-minecraft 
 (November 27, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Lion IRC Wrote:(November 27, 2013 at 3:07 pm)Simplyalex Wrote: I would rather live in a society with same sex marriage. I may not like it, but it's a million times better than the abomination of slavery. It is about establishing a hierarchy of morality. One of those things is obviously and I do mean Obviously (with a capital O) better for society than the other. Regardless of how intense your personal bigotry is. Let's do another one -- which would be better a society in which marijuana is legal -- or one that enforces racial segregation? Neither of issues are addressed in the Booble so you would actually have to think for yourself on that one.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste -- don't pollute it with bullshit.
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile
November 27, 2013 at 8:55 pm
(This post was last modified: November 27, 2013 at 9:26 pm by Lion IRC.)
(November 27, 2013 at 8:50 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote:(November 27, 2013 at 12:06 am)Lion IRC Wrote: Not theft you say? You said slavery does not involve theft. I disagree! And the quote includes a link for context. *hint* I actually want ppl to go back and read your post (November 27, 2013 at 8:36 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Yes people do have a choice about their sexual behaviour. But they do not choose their sexual orientation. If gay people can't/don't exercise choice, (in the same way as bi-curious ppl do or celibate people do, or heterosexual male prisoners do, etc. etc.) then how come some gay people choose to try gay conversion therapy???  Leaving aside the question of whether such therapy works, there are some gay people who exercise intent. And that desire or intent shows that such people have conscious volition. A person who has no ability to choose their sexual preference would not have the capacity to contemplate such an irrelevant thing. The claim made that "I can't help myself" is refuted by multiple examples of other cases where people such as rape victims, sex addicts or low libido folk actually can and do obtain helpful therapy to modify their attitudes. Where's that research data about heterosexual males who experienced increased blood flow to the penis and apparent psycho-sexual arousal when exposed to homosexual pornography? If you want to see gay activists go berserk with the No True Scotsman fallacy, just ask them how come a person can get married to the opposite sex, have children, and wait 20 years to finally decide they are gay? (November 27, 2013 at 8:55 pm)Lion IRC Wrote:(November 27, 2013 at 8:50 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: Quote mine away dear boy, I'm sure your god won't mind you breaking the 9th commandment. Although I'd appreciate it if you could put the quote into it's proper context if you are ever called on it; i.e. a refutation of your claim that slavery is forbidden under the 8th commandment. I really don't give a damn if they do or not. The post in question was in response to this: (November 26, 2013 at 10:43 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: Denying a person their wage is theft. The dictionary seems to agree that slaves are unpaid: Slave noun \ˈslāv\ : someone who is legally owned by another person and is forced to work for that person without pay If someone doesn't get paid, their pay cannot be withheld. Most legal systems seem to differentiate between slavery and theft too. Funny that. If slavery is theft, why was the emancipation proclamation necessary?  (November 27, 2013 at 8:55 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: If gay people can't/don't exercise choice, (in the same way as bi-curious ppl do or celibate people do, or heterosexual male prisoners do, etc. etc.) then how come some gay people choose to try gay conversion therapy??? Usually because of pressure from religious assholes, like yourself. Not that I think all theists are assholes... just the majority. |
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