Man's morality

[ThomM]

I will be happy to answer these questions again (for the 5th or 6th time in this thread) First answer this.

Define morality.

Since your game seems to be to dodge questions you don't like or answer questions with a question (Both intellectually dishonest) let's frame it in your standards.

Where would one locate an example of God's Righteousness given that the bible is a mish mash of other cultures values and beliefs molested to suit the needs of the Israelites?

Well - how about Bashing the heads of the infants of the Amaleks against rocks and being happy about it?

How about stoning to death a child that does not obey?

How about Murdering the entire first born of Egypt for something their Pharaoh did - that they had NO control over?

How about murdering ALL the innocent infant and babies of the world in a great flood - because their parents did not obey him?

THe problem is that if you ask an xtian - they will only point to the particular passages they want to quote from - and ignore that the god of the bible is a viscous amoral being

[Drich]

Well - how about Bashing the heads of the infants of the Amaleks against rocks and being happy about it?

Honestly, don't care what happened to babies that live/died 4500 years ago. Now are you happy about the right a woman has to choose over the life and death of her unborn child now?

How selfrighteous does one have to be to feign concern about a child that lived 4500 years ago, and not be concerned for the literal 1.3 billion who have been slaughtered since just 1980, for the perservation of a woman's current or projected life style?

How about stoning to death a child that does not obey?

Again don't care, not my religion. Not anyone's religion for the past 2000 years. What about partial birth abortion? where a viable baby is ripped out of the mother (all except the head) then scisors are inserted at the base of the skull, the brains scrambled and then sucked out to deflate the head? The child's only crime? the mother's situation changed late term, and she did not want to go through birth and the adoption process.

How about Murdering the entire first born of Egypt for something their Pharaoh did - that they had NO control over?

Do you not have a basic comprehension of how the desisions of leaders work today? How about the murdering that took place durning Nazi Germany, or Hirohito's Japan for something their leader's did that the general populace had no control over? Live with blinders on do you? well take them off and look around once in a while. Otherwise you might sound sheltered and out of touch of the world around you.

How about murdering ALL the innocent infant and babies of the world in a great flood - because their parents did not obey him?

How many 'babies' do you think were alive durning the great flood?
Campare that to the10's of Millions the US has murdered (billion+ world wide) we have slaughtered since 1980. This is what I am talking about when I say blinders
At best you sound out of touch or uninformed. If however you are aware of Abortion that would make you a self righteous hypocrite. Otherwise why concern yourself with the death of babies in a flood you do not even think happened, when literally a billion+ babies have been put to death under your generation's watch? Why aren't you concerned with the here and now, but show concern for the same subject in a story you do not even think to be real??
http://www.numberofabortions.com/

THe problem is that if you ask an xtian - they will only point to the particular passages they want to quote from - and ignore that the god of the bible is a viscous amoral being

If God is a monster for killing hundreds maybe thousands, then what does it make you for supporting the legislation that has killed a billion+ in just 30 years?

After 17 pages of dialog with your peers, do you honestly think your the first to bring up the order for the death of a very specific group of babies by God??

Your peers have all fallen in their attempts to show God to be evil because of these deaths, why? Because they have sense enough to see whatever blood maybe on the Hands of God, is nothing to the sea of blood we have supported and created in the name perserving a life style.

Their own hyprocrisy or fear of exposure to it has ended their arguements. Now the question remains. will you embrace your hyprocrisy, or renounce a 'woman's right to choose,' and be jeered by your peers inorder to try and capture the moral high ground against God?.

[EgoRaptor]

First off, I strongly believe freedom is more important than the right to life. I think late term-abortions should be banned, & I am personally against abortion (although I support a womans' right to chose). However, calling non-late term abortions murder is complete bullshit. Do you know what an embryo is?-a small blob of cells with no cognitive capability. By aborting it early the woman is doing the responsible thing. You can't just pretend that that isn't your religion, because it is. It is written in your fucking holy book!

[Drich]

First off, I strongly believe freedom is more important than the right to life. I think late term-abortions should be banned, & I am personally against abortion (although I support a womans' right to chose). However, calling non-late term abortions murder is complete bullshit.

(already been discussed in this thread ad-nausium.) In short your following statement is a perfect example of modern propaganda. Hitler used a similar tactic when He wanted to kill jews by the millions. He discover all he need do is dehumanize the jews and the were ripe for the meat grinder. Your statement dehumanizes those children, making it ok to kill them.

Do you know what an embryo is?-a small blob of cells with no cognitive capability.

This would be true if there were no prospect of this material ever developing into anything else.

By aborting it early the woman is doing the responsible thing.

Morality= the lessor of two evils.
The responsiable thing is to not be in a situation to have a baby if you are not ready for one.

You can't just pretend that that isn't your religion, because it is. It is written in your fucking holy book!

Maybe your unaware The bible repersents two different religions. OT judaism and NT Christianity. The word bible literally means a book of books

[Tonus]

Again don't care, not my religion. Not anyone's religion for the past 2000 years.

But it is the same god, isn't it? They are his actions?

If God is a monster for killing hundreds maybe thousands, then what does it make you for supporting the legislation that has killed a billion+ in just 30 years?

That would make him god, once removed.

[EgoRaptor]

First off, I strongly believe freedom is more important than the right to life. I think late term-abortions should be banned, & I am personally against abortion (although I support a womans' right to chose). However, calling non-late term abortions murder is complete bullshit.

(already been discussed in this thread ad-nausium.) In short your following statement is a perfect example of modern propaganda. Hitler used a similar tactic when He wanted to kill jews by the millions. He discover all he need do is dehumanize the jews and the were ripe for the meat grinder. Your statement dehumanizes those children, making it ok to kill them.

Reducto ad Hitlerum. Woman's right take priority over the life of something without consciousness.

[Drich]

But it is the same god, isn't it? They are his actions?

And the reason for those actions?
Acts in of themselves are meaningless, it is why we do what we do that determines the 'moral value' of an action.
Which is why i keep point to the perservation of a life style as the primary reason for abortion.

That would make him god, once removed.

what are you talking about here?

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Reducto ad Hitlerum. Woman's right take priority over the life of something without consciousness.

Because soceity has dehumanized the unborn, Per Hitler's example. If your logic was valid across the board then it would mean a woman had a right to also kill her children as they slept. after all we are not conscious when we sleep.

However as it is this 'rule' only applies the unwanted and unborn. We only dehumanize what we do not want. life and death over a human being has been reduced down to simple want for life in this case.

also fix your quote tags.

[Jacob(smooth)]

No, we did not dehumanised the unborn. The unborn are not yet human. The point at which they become so is arguable but to make the case that a fertilised egg is human is unsupportable. And coincidentally make a mass murderer of any woman who uses an iud or certain types of contraceptive pill (which prevent implantation.)

[Esquilax]

Because soceity has dehumanized the unborn, Per Hitler's example. If your logic was valid across the board then it would mean a woman had a right to also kill her children as they slept. after all we are not conscious when we sleep.

Looks like somebody has never heard of dreaming!

Oh wait, you were just being obtuse and dishonest by pretending not to know the difference between a clump of cells and a sleeping person, weren't you? I forgot whose post I was reading for a second there.

[EgoRaptor]

But it is the same god, isn't it? They are his actions?

And the reason for those actions?
Acts in of themselves are meaningless, it is why we do what we do that determines the 'moral value' of an action.
Which is why i keep point to the perservation of a life style as the primary reason for abortion.

That would make him god, once removed.

what are you talking about here?

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Reducto ad Hitlerum. Woman's right take priority over the life of something without consciousness.

Because soceity has dehumanized the unborn, Per Hitler's example. If your logic was valid across the board then it would mean a woman had a right to also kill her children as they slept. after all we are not conscious when we sleep.

However as it is this 'rule' only applies the unwanted and unborn. We only dehumanize what we do not want. life and death over a human being has been reduced down to simple want for life in this case.

also fix your quote tags.

So you would deny women an essential right just to save a few unborn? Also I can use ad Hitlerum too: Hitler was pro-life!