"The bible test" Answered.

[Minimalist]

Minimalist Wrote: Once again you have shown that an apologist will invent any shit that pops into his head...declare his bible saved and pat himself on the back.

What you need is a swift kick in the ass, drippy.


move to dismiss with out reading. What's the matter minnie hasn't anyone showed you where to get the darth vader Meme that celibrates your selective ignorance?

You're worthless, drippy. You think if you massage that bible shit enough you can turn it into gold. You're wrong. Shit it remains.

[Drich]

50 million years! Why, Drich, I'm so happy to see that you have become an evolutionist.

Have always been, as well as a creationist.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-14190.html

Drich, you are putting your ignorance of biblical scholarship on display. I was summarizing a theory held by some reputable OT scholars; it originated with the anthropologist

And you applied this closed minded arguement to what I said, dispite the details of my arguement. and then you attack your arguement as a way to invalidate mine. Still not star ship captian behaivor.

Well, Drich, you have just proved my contention that you cannot read. YOUR Bible says that the rabbit "chews its cud"

Maybe the Jews back then did not know of the rules we would eventually apply (4000 years or so later) to the practice of "rumination." Maybe to them the simple chewing motion that rock rabbits make was enough for them to identify it as "gerah."

same phrase it uses for the "clean" animals; I did not see any need to make a big fuss about the ignorance of the primitive Biblical writers over this small issue, but since you raise the point, and put your ignorance of the Bible on display, I will correct you here. Do you seriously think that there are no diseases carried by cattle, sheep and goats?

I did not say that. I clearly said Pigs tend to carry more disease than the rest as well has having less than 1/2 the shelf life.

"There are numerous diseases that humans may contract from endogenously infected meat, such as anthrax, bovine tuberculosis, brucellosis, salmonellosis, listeriosis, trichinosis or taeniasis."

was this true 4000 years ago?
in a word, no. we only have evidence of Anthrax from 300AD forward.
Bovine TB (cow cough ) orginated in England in the 20th century, brucellosis another 20th century plague. As far as the rest I did not look up their orgin dates, you can if you want. The reason I did not look these up is because salmonellosis, listeriosis, trichinosis, taeniasis cease to be a threat if the rest of the dietary laws concerning food prep and avoidance of certain parts is practiced.

This is fun what else you got? (maybe look them up and see if they apply first, because if you give me another random list I'll call you a name and dismiss your work.)

And to bring this list up to date we might also instance mad cow disease. And then there is "bird flu" which is contracted from bird types considered clean.

You do understand that both of these are 'new' diseases right? You also know these laws only applied to the Jews who live thousands of years ago right?

I concede that I was wrong about pork having a shelf life as good as beef, which is more than you will ever do on any point, no matter how egregiously stupid it was. However, I note that you have not a word to say about the shelf life of poultry, which was accepted as clean.

How big were birds back then compared to pig or camels? How much self life does one need on a 1 lb chicken? verse how much self life is needed on a 100 lb pig or a 1400 lb camel?

I did not say anything because to me it is just common sense... Appearently I was wrong.
(See I can admit when I was foolishly wrong, without a proviso like in your above admission)

In any case, the biblical laws were NOT instituted for health reasons. Pork and camel and rabbit would be considered unclean even if they were thoroughly cooked immediately after slaughter.

So you have a recipe that calls for 1400 lbs of camel meat?

You utterly ignored the point both max and I made, that these dietary prohibitions were lifted in New Testament times, although there was no advance in sanitary handling of meats, which plainly indicates the original prohibition had nothing to do with food safety.

Sanitary conditions? probably not. Maybe that is why my arguement does not center it self on a sanitary issue, at the same time i do not dismiss it outright. My arguement focouses on preservation of food. Perservation limits bacterial growth and spoilage. The romans brought preservation techniques for unclean food the jews did not have. So by the time of Christ meat was more safe than it had ever been.

[xpastor]

The point of the FFRF Bible Quiz was to help people realize what outrageous and laughable content is to be found in the Bible. No one denies that there is some good content, some excellent exhortations to moral behavior. However, so much is immoral and superstitious that no one should give the Bible a blanket endorsement as the Word of a just and loving God.

In addition to the answers found in the Bible Quiz, here are a few more specimens to show how detestable and sometimes silly can be the instructions attributed to God.

Now kill all the boys [among the captive Midianites]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:17-18) No matter what fundamentalists may claim, the virgins were not spared to help with cooking and sewing.

Do not spare them [the Amalekites] put to death men and women, children and infants [nursing babies], cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys. (1 Samuel 15:3)

If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity. (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

The punishment attached to the First Commandment: "Even your brother or your son or your daughter or the wife you love or your closest friend may secretly encourage you to worship other gods, gods that you and your ancestors have never worshiped. Some of them may encourage you to worship the gods of the people who live near you or the gods of those who live far away. But do not let any of them persuade you; do not even listen to them. Show them no mercy or pity, and do not protect them. Kill them! Be the first to stone them, and then let everyone else stone them too. Stone them to death! They tried to lead you away from the Lord your God, who rescued you from Egypt, where you were slaves. Then all the people of Israel will hear what happened; they will be afraid, and no one will ever again do such an evil thing." (Deuteronomy 13:6-11)

Death penalty for changing your religion. Cutting off hands. Making war on women and children. Who does all this remind you of? The Taliban? Al Qaeda? No group that I would want to be associated with.

And to move from the grisly to the ludicrous: "Take the other ram, and Aaron and his sons shall lay their hands on its head. Slaughter it, take some of its blood and put it on the lobes of the right ears of Aaron and his sons, on the thumbs of their right hands, and on the big toes of their right feet. Then splash blood against the sides of the altar. And take some blood from the altar and some of the anointing oil and sprinkle it on Aaron and his garments and on his sons and their garments. Then he and his sons and their garments will be consecrated." (Exodus 29:19-21) As Robert Ingersoll said, if you saw some South Sea Islanders going through a ritual like that, you could hardly keep yourself from laughing.

I can understand how many people can endorse the Bible without reading it. They've always been told that it is of divine origin. As Bill Maher says, for most Christians, it's like clicking the Agree button on a software license without reading it.

I can also understand how some people can actually read over this detestable garbage without it registering. I can understand because I did it myself before I was in the ministry. As I say now, I read with my mind on cruise control. Large parts of the Old Testament are desperately boring, and there is a tendency to read fast, skimming without most of the content sinking in.

I can't understand how, once it is brought to their attention, fundamentalists can attempt to defend the indefensible, putting themselves through the most pathetic mental contortions. I don't think that deep down they even believe what they are saying, but the idea of letting go of their Bible is too scary for them to contemplate.

Even more so, I can't understand how learned scholars can carefully translate and study this material without retching. For instance, how could the committee doing the New International Version say after translating those passages, that they "were united in their committment to the authority and infallibility of the Bible as God's word in written form"?

[Godscreated]

Good job Drich, they're afraid to take you on, they beg for answers and when you give them answers they run and hide just like scripture described over 2000+ years ago. They are living proof of prophecy.

GC

[Cinjin]

Good job Drich, they're afraid to take you on, they beg for answers and when you give them answers they run and hide just like scripture described over 2000+ years ago. They are living proof of prophecy.

Awhh yes, that famous biblical prophecy about how intelligent internet bloggers will mock idiots for believing the scribblings of primitives. Great passage that one!



I take it all back GC, you are funny.

[Minimalist]

The point of the FFRF Bible Quiz was to help people realize what outrageous and laughable content is to be found in the Bible.

We get that from most of drippy's posts.

[Faith No More]

Good job Drich, they're afraid to take you on, they beg for answers and when you give them answers they run and hide just like scripture described over 2000+ years ago. They are living proof of prophecy.

You're confusing fear with recognizing futility.

[Aractus]

7. Which of these foods does the bible expressly permit you to eat?
This question narrows the field to only allow for locus to be permitted as food. when in truth any animal who grazed was acceptiable food while scavengers (pigs and shell fish) were forbidden. Without refrigeration these 'meats' spoil 3 times faster and are exposed/lthe animal ive in disease, filth, rot and death. Where animals who's primary food was green grass tended to be cleaner, and safer for the community.

That's not true at all, the distinction is completely arbitrary. You can make that argument for some of the animals, but not for all. For instance - Camels, Badgers, Hares, a whole list of perfectly sanitary birds, etc.

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30. What Christmas tradition is expressly forbidden in the bible?
none of the above are forbidden.

Fore Paul tells us let no one tell use how when or what we use in worship.

Completely correct, and another example of the answer in the quiz taking a Bible verse way out of context.

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31. According to Jesus, what must you do to have eternal life?
none of the above.
john 3:16 Jesus says: Fore God so loved the world that He gave his only son, that whomever believes in Him shall not perrish BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE.

The passage of the rich young man is one of my favourites in the Bible.

The answer in the quiz is completely wrong and out of context, and I shall prove it.

• Just then someone came up and asked Him, “Teacher, what good must I do to have eternal life?”
  
  “Why do you ask Me about what is good?” He said to him. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

The answer is "keep the commandments", NOT "sell all of your possessions and give the money to the poor."

What Jesus says is this: “If you want to be perfect,” Jesus said to him, “go, sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.”

Sell your possessions and give the money to the poor and you will have: treasure in heaven (in addition to the already promised eternal life).

This is a perfect example of the new covenant promise vs the old. In order to enter live you had to "keep the commandments", described by Peter in Acts 15 as "a yoke that neither our ancestors nor we have been able to bear?"

[LostLocke]

Good job Drich, they're afraid to take you on, they beg for answers and when you give them answers they run and hide just like scripture described over 2000+ years ago. They are living proof of prophecy.

GC

If that's true, you are part of that group too.

The splinter and the rafter, you remember that parable don't you?

[WesOlsen]

Good job Drich, they're afraid to take you on, they beg for answers and when you give them answers they run and hide just like scripture described over 2000+ years ago. They are living proof of prophecy.

GC

Oh lol. Good job Drich for getting your ass handed to you by having your answers torn to shreds. I see plenty of rebuttals and not much running and hiding. Also I missed the bit in the bible about internet cock sparring sessions over 2000+ years ago.