Muslims Make Website to Serve as Vehicle for Islamification

[EgoRaptor]

I'm not a Jew. I am simply a man who doesn't want another holocaust & respects the Jews. You refer to the conspiracy theory of "Jewish supremacism" & reek of David Duke-esque antisemitism!

Urgh, I love how zionists resort to the pathetic "omg you must be racist" card whenever someone opposes their political/religious extremist ideology. Shouting racist doesn't win you an argument, especially when the zionist agenda is essentially a racist one. There are people here in the UK that think the UK should be reserved for one ethno-linguistic group (the poorly defined white anglo-saxon group). They think that those who don't conform to this categorisation shouldn't be allowed in the country. We call them racists/white supremacists/bigots etc.

Yes, & rightly so, as whites have never been genocided.

I'm curious as to how your reconcile your marxist tendencies with ethno-nationalism (one tinged with a religious salad dressing). I too come from a marxist/socialist background however using a genocide as justification for mutated forms of racial and religious discrimination doesn't bare too well with consistent marxist theory.

Zionism is not racist as the Jews are defined along cultural, not ethnic lines. It is not a form of ethno-nationalism but rather a reaction against the antisemitism of ethno-nationalism. Furthermore Israeli Arabs enjoy the same rights as any other Israelis. In fact, Israeli arabs are some of the only Arabs who are civilized!

There's plenty of Jews living in my country and nobody has holocausted them yet. Most of western Europe and the USA is a safe haven for jewish peoples, who integrate well and contribute to society in all ways possible.

Western Europe a safe haven for Jews?! Mass Islamic immigration has only encouraged European antisemitism (not that the Europeans need any help being antisemitic).

There's plenty of Jews living in my country and nobody has holocausted them yet. Most of western Europe and the USA is a safe haven for jewish peoples, who integrate well and contribute to society in all ways possible. Using the holocaust to justify a racially pure homeland is disingenuous and usually masks a deeper, more sinister motive. I oppose zionism because I oppose racism. I believe in multiracialism. I don't want an ethnically or religiously pure homeland in the UK, I wouldn't support one in Spain, France or Zimbabwe. Why would I support one in Israel?

Because all the Jews want is one little piece of land where they can be the majority. They don't want ethnic purity, just to be the majority for once.

The best way to combat a shit idea is with a better idea, racism against Jews exists in many countries, particularly central and eastern europe still, as does hatred for black and asian peoples.

Yes, and there are many Black & Asian nations. Don't the Jews deserve just one nation?

This doesn't warrant tit-for-tat discrimination in other countries. Secular Multiracialism is the only way to bring lasting peace to different nations, imho.

Yes, but please don't confuse multiracialism with multiculturalism. I strongly support multiracialism, yet strongly oppose multiculturalism. I think what s needed is global cultural assimilation, where everyone assimilates into one international secular, racially pluralistic culture.

Please don't call me a racist again, my entire life has proved anything but.

Than please don't refer to extremist conspiracies like "Jewish supremacism".

[Mister Agenda]

Yea, I don't like the word 'islamaphobe' either. Phobias are often irrational and stupid but there is nothing irrational about disagreeing with islam, or any religion now I come to think about it.

It's not irrational to disagree with Islam and disagreeing with Islam is not Islamophobia.

It is irrational to think that a given random Muslim is likely to be a terrorist or that in a country like the USA with a Muslim population of less than 3%, oceans between it and the nearest Islamic state, and millions of Catholics on tap across the border if we ever want to 'balance out' Muslim influence, and a Constitution that mandates secularism, is ever going to become 'Islamified'.

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Yea, letting people walk around with swastikas on there arms would really go down well

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Should they not wear whatever the fuck they want as well?
Cause that is against the law, public indecency or something

I'd rather have people wear swastikas on their arms than want to wear them and not be allowed to so I don't know who they are.

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The meaning of the Nazi swastika should never be changed otherwise the meaning could be forgotten and that should never happen

Yes, It shouldn't be changed (even though the swastika itself was changed from an Indian symbol to a symbol of nazism, but I'm not even going to go into that).

The swastika stands for the killing of 6 million innocent jews and many other gypsies, homosexuals and political opponents. Why does that mean someone shouldn't be able to wear a swastika now? What threat does it prove to anyone for someone to wear a swastika?

I like the idea of making the whole skinhead look into a gay thing and specifically the swastika should be a signal that you're a bottom and like watersports.

That said, I wouldn't want what it once stood for in a very dark time to be forgotten.

[WesOlsen]

Yes, & rightly so, as whites have never been genocided.

Various white peoples have been targeted for extermination throughout history. From Bosniaks in the former Yugoslavia, which witnessed a three way split over religious and racial lines, despite descending from the same common white slavic ancestry - to ethnic white divisions in my home turf of the UK/Ireland - to more contemporary persecution in countries as diverse as Zimbwabwe and Pakistan. History is sadly littered with racial tension amongst many different groups, and whilst the nazi holocaust is obviously one of the worst genocides in recorded history, using it as justification for an extreme right-wing agenda of another kind is not reasonable at all, especially when that agenda involves dispossession and ethnic cleansing. I'll touch on this more in a second.

Zionism is not racist as the Jews are defined along cultural, not ethnic lines. It is not a form of ethno-nationalism but rather a reaction against the antisemitism of ethno-nationalism. Furthermore Israeli Arabs enjoy the same rights as any other Israelis. In fact, Israeli arabs are some of the only Arabs who are civilized!

Many jews identify themselves as an ethnic group as well as a cultural and religious group. Certainly many orthodox jews believe that they are a chosen people and bare a prophecised right to own a certain piece of land. This religious extremism comparesd easily to the most sadistic excesses of Islam and christianity. There are also many secular jews who, as you rightly point out, identify over cultural lines rather than religious lines, but still meld it with a very fine-tuned and specific right-wing agenda. In addition there are many arabs in the occupied territories that would strongly contest the idea that they enjoy anything other than third world living conditions. I have friends (atheist interestingly) who have done aid work in Palestine. The economic blockade has crippled living conditions there. I'm sure you could lecture me for hours as to how the arabs all do this to themselves and how the dominant right-wing nationalist parties in Israel are made of ice cream and sparkles. Rest assured, trying to pass off Arab poverty as purely the fault of Islam displays a profound lack of understanding of regional history. Increased dispossession and ethnic cleansing only increases desperation and the likelihood that desperate people will turn to desperate measures.

Western Europe a safe haven for Jews?! Mass Islamic immigration has only encouraged European antisemitism (not that the Europeans need any help being antisemitic).

Have you ever visited western Europe? The UK maybe? Jews enjoy huge freedoms in this country, and whilst there will always exist low lying levels of tension between different groups, jews do not live in constant fear for their lives. They are able to live as any other citizen, conributing to business and the arts. Jews are not persecuted on any significant scale here and I don't believe they are in western europe. I've heard many muslims, hindus, sikhs etc claim they suffer some level of persecution. Jews are certainly not unique in this sense. Your view of them being ghettoised and humiliated daily is a farcry from the reality. Just look at the number of jews in prominent positions here who have made fine contributions to business and the arts, this would not be possible in any country that institutionally persecuted them. Jews DO suffer greater levels of prejudice in central and eastern europe, as do many other ethnic minorities. This needs to be combatted regionally.

Because all the Jews want is one little piece of land where they can be the majority. They don't want ethnic purity, just to be the majority for once.

And this involved and continues to involve ethnic cleansing and illegal settlement building, contravening UN laws. Non jews also have to pledge some sort of crude alleigance to the Jewish state of Israel. This is sinister beyond all belief and smacks of racial purity. Why should anyone be automatically entitled to an ethnically pure homeland, especially one that was pinched so recently?

Yes, and there are many Black & Asian nations. Don't the Jews deserve just one nation?

This ignores the very long-term development of most historic black and asian states, that have been populated by various ethnic groups for thousands of years. There are certainly exceptions, but i'm not even aware of a massive native american movement that calls for a native american state somewhere, at least not one with as much political and religious zeal as the zionists in Israel. The more you insist that the jews must have their own state, even if it means displacing communities that lived there long before recent jewish immigration.....the more you peddle the illusion that the choice is somehow 'jewish homeland or genocide'. The situation is nowhere near so black and white, and there is growing opportunities for jewish people to thrive the world over. As I said, I don't think any ethnic OR cultural group should demand a pure homeland. The choice isn't A or B, this is very dishonest. Jewish peoples have many options the world over.

Yes, but please don't confuse multiracialism with multiculturalism. I strongly support multiracialism, yet strongly oppose multiculturalism. I think what s needed is global cultural assimilation, where everyone assimilates into one international secular, racially pluralistic culture.

Then why the need for a racially pure homeland if the world can move towards global multiracialism? This completely contradicts what you said in your previous statement. Multiculturalism has done many great things for my country, particularly in the arts. Zionism (whether religious or political) is at odds with the common goals of socialism, which seeks to integrate and unite working people of the world, not dwell on their largely imaginary differences. Why must people isolate themselves and treat each other with such suspicion, tit-for-tat solves nothing!

Than please don't refer to extremist conspiracies like "Jewish supremacism".

Jewish supremacism is certainly a belief of orthodox jewish zionists, who rely purely on religious rhetoric to justify racial and religious extremism and persecution. Outside the religious circles there still exist very right-wing and nationalist jewish movements, including the ruling party of Israel at the moment, who would be lambasted as positively extreme were they operating in UK politics. They really aren't that different to the BNP or National front, right down to economic policy. Zionism isn't a moderate political stance, which is why it is viewed with suspicion and disgust, particularly in western europe, where both the right and the left agree that it can't go on forever peddling such hostility and isolation.

[EgoRaptor]

So you deny European antisemitism, insist Muslims are persecuted, blame the Jews for many of the world's problems then go on to say you aren't a racist... seems legit.

[WesOlsen]

If you read my post, you'll notice that I deny institutionalised and intensive anti-semitism in western Europe, acknowledge varying degrees of racism (including antisemitism) in central and eastern europe, insist the arabs are a persecuted group in the occupied territories only (as do the UN human rights comission, amnesty international and countless other human rights organisations, charities and watchdogs) and haven't blamed any of the worlds problems on Jews AT ALL. Why do you zionist nut jobs cry racism and conspiracy every time someone criticises Israeli policy? Where the hell did I blame jews for the world's problems? At home (the occupied territories) their policy is highly questionable, outside of the immediate geographic locality I don't implicate them in anything, and in fact reiterate that jews make many positive contributions to their various host nations, particularly in the most developed parts of Europe and north america where they have proudly contributed to the arts and business world.

Zionism has a weird ability to cry accusations of antisemitism where there is clearly none. Criticising UK policy doesn't make me a Britain hater, whatever that might look like, and criticising Israeli policy doesn't make me a Jew hater. Feel free to cast a magic Leveyan spell and yell 'racist' again though, it'll be exposed for what it is though; distraction tactics and ignorance.