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Individualism, the worst thing to come from religion.
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Individualism, the worst thing to come from religion.
(December 9, 2013 at 7:27 pm)Chuck Wrote: I wondered if our Mao faced moscot of lunacy ever considered that while under Mao, the masses of China was indeed subjected to ruthless crushing of individualism, in the pursuit of the utter reduction of each of China's billion human beings into identical mao-suited bricks for the construction of monuments to Mao. But for Mao himself the ideal was supreme and total individualism for Mao, untremmaled by any constraints on his whim that might result from any respect for any other individual.


(December 9, 2013 at 7:05 pm)I and I Wrote: Name one good attribute of individualism.

Resistance to the likes of Mao.

Funny how the majority of individuals coming to power and controlling their economy is....according to capitalist propaganda anti-individual.

According to capitalist propaganda workers aren't even considered individuals.


So easy

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#12
RE: Individualism, the worst thing to come from religion.
(December 9, 2013 at 7:43 pm)I and I Wrote:
(December 9, 2013 at 7:27 pm)Chuck Wrote: I wondered if our Mao faced moscot of lunacy ever considered that while under Mao, the masses of China was indeed subjected to ruthless crushing of individualism, in the pursuit of the utter reduction of each of China's billion human beings into identical mao-suited bricks for the construction of monuments to Mao. But for Mao himself the ideal was supreme and total individualism for Mao, untremmaled by any constraints on his whim that might result from any respect for any other individual.



Resistance to the likes of Mao.

Funny how the majority of individuals coming to power and controlling their economy is....according to capitalist propaganda anti-individual.

According to capitalist propaganda workers aren't even considered individuals.


So easy

Next

An anti-individual is what? -1 individual?

Actually, capitalists would much rather the workers are individuals than if they act as a collective. It seems you've become so delirious from inhaling other parts of Maoist propaganda that you’ve overlooked this part, which is the only part with some grounding in truth.
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#13
RE: Individualism, the worst thing to come from religion.
(December 9, 2013 at 7:43 pm)I and I Wrote:
(December 9, 2013 at 7:27 pm)Chuck Wrote: I wondered if our Mao faced moscot of lunacy ever considered that while under Mao, the masses of China was indeed subjected to ruthless crushing of individualism, in the pursuit of the utter reduction of each of China's billion human beings into identical mao-suited bricks for the construction of monuments to Mao. But for Mao himself the ideal was supreme and total individualism for Mao, untremmaled by any constraints on his whim that might result from any respect for any other individual.



Resistance to the likes of Mao.

Funny how the majority of individuals coming to power and controlling their economy is....according to capitalist propaganda anti-individual.

According to capitalist propaganda workers aren't even considered individuals.


So easy

Next
I'm assuming that by the majority of individuals you mean Mao & his cronies.
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#14
RE: Individualism, the worst thing to come from religion.
(December 9, 2013 at 7:05 pm)I and I Wrote: I never implied that individualism hasn't had different changes throughout history, I am claiming it came from religion originally.

You claimed that individualism hasn't resulted in any beneficial changes while simultaneously giving an example of one.

(December 9, 2013 at 7:05 pm)I and I Wrote: Note: this is a condemnation of religion and individualism.

Not a very good one.


(December 9, 2013 at 7:05 pm)I and I Wrote: I said that people deciding for their individual selves what scriptures mean (whatever deciding for yourself means) was slightly less worse.

"Less worse" is synonymous with better.

(December 9, 2013 at 7:05 pm)I and I Wrote: I should have said no better considering that the Protestant reformation actually made that religion more violent.

Were things less worse or weren't they?

(December 9, 2013 at 7:05 pm)I and I Wrote: And how do you come to the conclusion that the belief that their is the inner self and the outer self, that the individual is juxtaposed to society somehow make humans better?

What is this blather about inner self and outer self?


(December 9, 2013 at 7:05 pm)I and I Wrote: Name one good attribute of individualism.

Innovation.
Progressiveness.
Acceptance.
Self-Sufficiency.
And most imposrtantly - Human Rights.

There - I gave you five.
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RE: Individualism, the worst thing to come from religion.
(December 9, 2013 at 3:13 am)genkaus Wrote: Thirdly, the one motherfucking thing individualism has done to make society better is the development of individual rights - which is the biggest motherfucking factor in determining the quality of human life.

Win.
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#16
Individualism, the worst thing to come from religion.
(December 11, 2013 at 11:02 am)genkaus Wrote:
(December 9, 2013 at 7:05 pm)I and I Wrote: I never implied that individualism hasn't had different changes throughout history, I am claiming it came from religion originally.

You claimed that individualism hasn't resulted in any beneficial changes while simultaneously giving an example of one.

(December 9, 2013 at 7:05 pm)I and I Wrote: Note: this is a condemnation of religion and individualism.

Not a very good one.


(December 9, 2013 at 7:05 pm)I and I Wrote: I said that people deciding for their individual selves what scriptures mean (whatever deciding for yourself means) was slightly less worse.

"Less worse" is synonymous with better.

(December 9, 2013 at 7:05 pm)I and I Wrote: I should have said no better considering that the Protestant reformation actually made that religion more violent.

Were things less worse or weren't they?

(December 9, 2013 at 7:05 pm)I and I Wrote: And how do you come to the conclusion that the belief that their is the inner self and the outer self, that the individual is juxtaposed to society somehow make humans better?

What is this blather about inner self and outer self?


(December 9, 2013 at 7:05 pm)I and I Wrote: Name one good attribute of individualism.

Innovation.
Progressiveness.
Acceptance.
Self-Sufficiency.
And most imposrtantly - Human Rights.

There - I gave you five.

None of those attributes are synonymous with individualism.

What has "human rights" done again?
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#17
RE: Individualism, the worst thing to come from religion.
(December 11, 2013 at 12:06 pm)I and I Wrote:
(December 11, 2013 at 11:02 am)genkaus Wrote: You claimed that individualism hasn't resulted in any beneficial changes while simultaneously giving an example of one.


Not a very good one.



"Less worse" is synonymous with better.


Were things less worse or weren't they?


What is this blather about inner self and outer self?



Innovation.
Progressiveness.
Acceptance.
Self-Sufficiency.
And most imposrtantly - Human Rights.

There - I gave you five.

None of those attributes are synonymous with individualism.

What has "human rights" done again?
[Image: facepalm.gif]Honestly? All those things are attributes of individualism. And I rolfed at the "what have human rights done", because they are the only reason you are allowed to moger bullshit. Get rid of human rights & then we would have a oligarchical dictatorship... oh wait, that is exactly what Mao had!
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#18
Individualism, the worst thing to come from religion.
(December 11, 2013 at 12:14 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote:
(December 11, 2013 at 12:06 pm)I and I Wrote: None of those attributes are synonymous with individualism.

What has "human rights" done again?
[Image: facepalm.gif]Honestly? All those things are attributes of individualism. And I rolfed at the "what have human rights done", because they are the only reason you are allowed to moger bullshit. Get rid of human rights & then we would have a oligarchical dictatorship... oh wait, that is exactly what Mao had!

So oligarchy and direct power over the infrastructure of this oligarchy (dictatorship) DOESNT????? exist under capitalism?

Right now corporations have a lot of power to make economic decisions that affect whole nations, at what point was there an election to give these people this power over us? Oh wait, there never was one because capitalism is a dictatorship.
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#19
RE: Individualism, the worst thing to come from religion.
(December 12, 2013 at 12:05 am)I and I Wrote:
(December 11, 2013 at 12:14 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote: [Image: facepalm.gif]Honestly? All those things are attributes of individualism. And I rolfed at the "what have human rights done", because they are the only reason you are allowed to moger bullshit. Get rid of human rights & then we would have a oligarchical dictatorship... oh wait, that is exactly what Mao had!

So oligarchy and direct power over the infrastructure of this oligarchy (dictatorship) DOESNT????? exist under capitalism?

Right now corporations have a lot of power to make economic decisions that affect whole nations, at what point was there an election to give these people this power over us? Oh wait, there never was one because capitalism is a dictatorship.
I might be a communist, but I will sing the praises of capitalism when compared to Maoism.
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#20
RE: Individualism, the worst thing to come from religion.
(December 11, 2013 at 12:06 pm)I and I Wrote: None of those attributes are synonymous with individualism.

What has "human rights" done again?

An attribute, by definition, cannot be synonymous with whatever it is an attribute of. And you didn't ask for synonyms.

And what "human rights" have done is given both of us freedom to hold and express our views without the fear that the other might report them to authorities and have one carted off to a prison.
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