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RE: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran
December 9, 2013 at 3:30 pm
More like black-assholiness.
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RE: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran
December 9, 2013 at 3:41 pm
Maybe it's me, but nothing in the OP seemed to indicate anything regarding black holes, aside from the part about when a star blows up. How do we know that wasn't really a prophecy about Episode IV?
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RE: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran
December 9, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Maybe Allah is a Porcupine Tree fan....
Allah is most merciful and likes prog rock!
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Re: RE: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran
December 9, 2013 at 8:41 pm
(This post was last modified: December 9, 2013 at 8:41 pm by NoraBrimstone.)
(December 9, 2013 at 9:48 am)majmal Wrote: With the name of God the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful
The Quran swears by destruction of stars and the subsequent formation of black holes to prove it is sent by God. (In 53:1 An oath by the destruction of stars is taken, In 56:75-76 An oath by the enormity of this event is taken, In 81:15-18 Formation of black holes which form after the destruction of giant stars and the fact that matter and light cannot escape is mentioned) - Below are the specific ayaat:
53:1: By the star when it Hawa (destructs, blows up)
53:2: Has neither Dalla (gone astray), Your Companion (Muhammad Blessings and Peace of God be upon him) nor Ghawa (nor is being misled)
53:3: Nor does he speak from Hawa (emotion)
53:4: It is not but a Wahi (revelation, inspiration) Yuha (revealed, inspired)
56:75: Fa (So) La (No), uqsimu (I swear, I take an oath) by the mawaq'i (occurrences, events) of the Nujuum (stars)
56:76: And indeed, it is surely an oath - if you knew - Azeem (tremendous, A supernova is a tremendous event during which more energy may be released than the Sun will in its entire life span)
56:77: That (this) is indeed a recital Kareem (honorable, the Qur'an in Arabic).
56:78: In a Book kept Maknoon (hidden).
56:79: Which (that Book with God) none can touch but the Mutaharoon (purified, the angels, the book in which is pre-written everything that will occur)
56:80: (It is) a tanzeel (sending down of revelation) from the Lord of the Alameen (human beings and Jinn (another creation given the gift of speech))
56:81: Then is it to this statement that you are Mudhinoon (indifferent)
56:82: And make (the thanks) for your provision that you Tukaziboon (lie about the Provider)
56:83: Then why (do you) not, when (death) reaches the Hulqoom (throat)
56:84: And you are at that time Tanzuroon (looking on)
56:85: And we (angels) are nearer to him than you, but you do not Tubsiroon (see)
56:86: Then why (do you) not, if you are not to be Madineen (recompensed, punished or rewarded)
56:87: Bring it (the soul) back, if you are Sadiqeen (truthful?)
56:88: If (the deceased) was of the Muqarabeen (close to God, from the foremost in doing good works)
56:89: Then (for him is) rauh and rayhan and a garden of Naeem (pleasure)
56:90: And if he was of the Ashab Al-Yameen (people of the right)
56:91: Then salam (safety from all bad things, paradise as well) for you, from the Ashab Al-Yameen.
56:92: But if he was from the Mukazibeen (liars and who were) Daaleen (astray, e.g. people with lots of money who didn't care about the starving)
56:93: Then (for him is) accommodation of Hameem (intensely hot scalding water)
56:94: And burning in Jaheem (intense Hellfire)
56:95: Verily, this! This is Haq-ul-Yaqeen (the Truth with certainty)
56:96: Fa sabbih (So declare free from faults) the name of your Lord, Al-Azeem (Tremendous)
81:15: Fa (So) La (No), uqsimu (I swear, I take an oath) by Khunnas (drawn together objects) (When a massive star destructs, it subsequently draws together i.e. 10 times the mass of the sun is drawn to within a 30 km diameter in the stellar category of black holes)
81:16: Those that run (their courses) and Kunnas (sweep whatever is in their path, matter cannot escape)
81:17: And the night as it us'us (the darkness of a black hole is different than regular darkness)
81:18: And the light as it Tanaffus (As it gets pulled in, even light cannot escape)
81:19: Verily, this is the Word (this Qur'an brought by) a messenger Kareem (honourable, Jibrael (Gabriel), from God to the last human messenger)
81:20: (Who is) possessed of power and with the Owner of the Arsh (uppermost construction in heaven), Makeen (secure in position),
81:21: Obeyed there (in the heavens) and Ameen (trustworthy)
81:22: And your companion is not (at all) Majnoon (mad)
81:23: And he has already seen him (Gabriel) in the horizon Mubeen (clear)
81:24: And he (the last messenger) is not with the unseen Daneen (a with-holder, concealer of knowledge)
81:25: And it (the Qur'an) is not the word of Satan, Rajeem (expelled from the heavens).
81:26: So where are you Tazhaboon (going?)
81:27: It (the Quran) is not except a remembrance for the Alameen
81:28: For whoever wills among you that (he or she) Yastaqeem (stay straight, do what is right and avoid straying from what is right)
81:29: And you will not, except (it be) that Allah wills - Lord of the Alameen.
3:84: Say, "We have believed in Allah (God) and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and Al-Asbat (the tribes from the twelve sons of Ya'qub), and in what was given to Musa (Moses) and 'Iesa (Jesus) and to the Nabbiyun (those who brought news of the unseen) from their Lord. We make no division between any of them, and we to (God) are Muslimoon (those who submit to God)".
You may verify the words above using an arabic-english lexicon visit: http://tyndalearchive.com/tabs/lane/ or http://www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm or corpus.quran.com also http://quranic-wisdom.co.nf Does the term "Ad Hoc" mean anything to you?
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RE: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran
December 9, 2013 at 8:44 pm
(December 9, 2013 at 10:13 am)TaraJo Wrote: ...what percentage of significant scientific discoveries over the past 500 years have been made by Muslims? Yes, but they invented the zero. That's a pretty big one.
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Re: RE: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran
December 9, 2013 at 8:46 pm
(December 9, 2013 at 8:44 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (December 9, 2013 at 10:13 am)TaraJo Wrote: ...what percentage of significant scientific discoveries over the past 500 years have been made by Muslims? Yes, but they invented the zero. That's a pretty big one. True. Nobody else would ever have come up with such a complicated, seemingly impossible concept.
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RE: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran
December 9, 2013 at 9:45 pm
In the last 500 years? I'm pretty sure that zero is older than that
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RE: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran
December 9, 2013 at 9:54 pm
(December 9, 2013 at 9:45 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: In the last 500 years? I'm pretty sure that zero is older than that
Quite a bit. The use of zero in a modern context goes back to at least the ninth century CE, and was used in Egyptian accounting (though, as I understand it, not quite in the same way we do) by the eighteenth century BCE.
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RE: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran
December 10, 2013 at 1:57 am
All burgeoning Muslism apologists: Please quit being utter twats with your 'translations', all of which you merely parrot from other Muslim apologists who are no more honest or less self-invested as you are.
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RE: Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran
December 10, 2013 at 4:38 am
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(December 9, 2013 at 8:44 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Yes, but they invented the zero. That's a pretty big one.
A zero is a one now?
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