Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down

[ronedee]

And since you can't prove it doesn't work... what harm does it do?

And you are pretending to know prayer does anything whatsoever. You know no such thing, can't demonstrate prayer has efficacy and have no epistemic basis for making such a claim.

Prayer is harmful if it is done in lieu of actually taking needed action as can be seen in countless, horrific medical examples. Or rather, horrific lack of proper medical care due to reliance on prayer examples.

"in lieu"? "countless"?

All you and your cohorts can point to is a "very few" religious zealots that are clearly idiots.

This is the epitome of "straining on a gnat, and swallowing a camel".

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When proper medical care is required, prayer fails miserably.

Another thing you can't prove.

You don't pray, but billions do... and you can make a sweeping statement like that?

That's pure, outstanding ignorance.

[The Valkyrie]

A small selection

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...monia.html

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/...ith-prayer

Small indeed.

And where in scripture, or any religious doctrine it says that EVERY Christian is to refuse medical treatment?

Where does Jesus say to refuse medical treatment?

Seriously, you're now acknowledging that it DOES happen after being given examples, and these are two among many, but dismiss it out of hand?

Yes, it IS only a few among millions, but, as I stated, one is too many, especially when one of those examples is responsible for the deaths of two children.

And then there are the Jehovah's Witnesses who won't allow blood transfusions for their kids (fortunately many such cases are being overridden by the courts, but it does happen).

And, with many of these religious groups, it doesn't seem to matter what a specific individual or book MAY have said, it's their interpretation of those often vague words (which helps account for hundreds of Christian denominations).

ANd finally: Cool! I'm a cohort!

[ronedee]

Small indeed.

And where in scripture, or any religious doctrine it says that EVERY Christian is to refuse medical treatment?

Where does Jesus say to refuse medical treatment?

Seriously, you're now acknowledging that it DOES happen after being given examples, and these are two among many, but dismiss it out of hand?

Yes, it IS only a few among millions, but, as I stated, one is too many, especially when one of those examples is responsible for the deaths of two children.

And then there are the Jehovah's Witnesses who won't allow blood transfusions for their kids (fortunately many such cases are being overridden by the courts, but it does happen).

And, with many of these religious groups, it doesn't seem to matter what a specific individual or book MAY have said, it's their interpretation of those often vague words (which helps account for hundreds of Christian denominations).

ANd finally: Cool! I'm a cohort!

ONE IS TOO MANY!

But, your agenda isn't about those kids.

[The Valkyrie]

Seriously, you're now acknowledging that it DOES happen after being given examples, and these are two among many, but dismiss it out of hand?

Yes, it IS only a few among millions, but, as I stated, one is too many, especially when one of those examples is responsible for the deaths of two children.

And then there are the Jehovah's Witnesses who won't allow blood transfusions for their kids (fortunately many such cases are being overridden by the courts, but it does happen).

And, with many of these religious groups, it doesn't seem to matter what a specific individual or book MAY have said, it's their interpretation of those often vague words (which helps account for hundreds of Christian denominations).

ANd finally: Cool! I'm a cohort!

ONE IS TOO MANY!

But, your agenda isn't about those kids.

Then tell me, oh telepathic one, what is my agenda all about?

This should be amusing . . .

[ronedee]

ONE IS TOO MANY!

But, your agenda isn't about those kids.

Then tell me, oh telepathic one, what is my agenda all about?

This should be amusing . . .

I will tell you this oh ignorant one.... If it weren't about an "agenda" we would be in total agreement on those kids!

[The Valkyrie]

Then tell me, oh telepathic one, what is my agenda all about?

This should be amusing . . .

I will tell you this oh ignorant one.... If it weren't about an "agenda" we would be in total agreement on those kids!

Right, so you make a claim and when called out on that claim, ignore it and make another claim.

Gotcha.

You're not a young earth creationists by any chance . . .?

[Mister Agenda]

Okay you guys want to eliminate religion from government, petition the courts to take down all the crosses in the military cemeteries. Bet the vets will find their way into the courts on this. These guys have no problem with crosses being on the graves of their fallen comrades, these guys put their lives on the line for you, don't you think they have the right to have markers over their graves that suit them. Of coarse not, it violates your interpretation of the constitution. You all couldn't care less about those who died for your freedom, the only appreciation you have for then is the freedom to violate their rights, sorry, just really sorry attitudes for people who gave their lives for you.

GC

All what crosses? Arlington has headstones, on which the symbols of each individual soldier's creed are engraved.

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As I recall neon Nazis were allowed to march in Skokie IL a mostly Jewish community. Free speech extends to even the most vile. Zoning restrictions can set physical limitations but cannot regulate content. People used to say, "It's a free country." You don't hear that very often any more.

What I find telling is that it was the ACLU that supported the Nazis but now files suit against Christians.

It's a free country.

Nazis are not allowed to erect monuments on government property.

The ACLU files suits FOR Christians too. They are always on the side of the people who are on the side of the First Amendment. Why do Christians violate the First Amendment so much?

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Children? How would stopping prayer in school help those "few" children?

No one is stopping prayer in school. You have taken a comment about prayer being the equivalent of talking to yourself and gone off on a rant about prayer. We get that you don't think you're talking to yourself.

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So what? You still support censorship.

Censoring the government? You bet I do. The government doesn't have the same rights as its citizens because it is charged with protecting the rights of citizens impartially.

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Then tell me, oh telepathic one, what is my agenda all about?

This should be amusing . . .

I will tell you this oh ignorant one.... If it weren't about an "agenda" we would be in total agreement on those kids!

So what's the agenda? I say it's to keep government and religion as little entangled with each other as possible. What do you think it is?

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With the exception of Jacob, who consistently shows uncommon sense, do we not have ANY theists on the forum who appreciate the value of secularism for all parties concerned?

[Cato]

As I recall neon Nazis were allowed to march in Skokie IL a mostly Jewish community. Free speech extends to even the most vile. Zoning restrictions can set physical limitations but cannot regulate content. People used to say, "It's a free country." You don't hear that very often any more.

What I find telling is that it was the ACLU that supported the Nazis but now files suit against Christians.

Jake and Elwood took care of the Illinois nazis.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-ukFAvYP3UU

[EgoRaptor]

I personally don't object to a cross being erected at a memorial. I see where they are coming from, but taking it down seems a bit silly.

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As I recall neon Nazis were allowed to march in Skokie IL a mostly Jewish community.

Neon Nazis? Like this?

[Angrboda]

With the exception of Jacob, who consistently shows uncommon sense, do we not have ANY theists on the forum who appreciate the value of secularism for all parties concerned?

Probably not, or at least, not so's you'd know it.