Virgin Births a dime a dozen

[Drich]

I would have thought someone claiming to be a 'pastor' at somepoint in his life would have a little more knoweledge and understanding than a common atheist has about the basic fundimentals of Christianity. How does one goto seminary and not know that the Virgin birth of Christ in of it self is not proof of anything? It's almost like you didn't actually go. If you had you would have known the virgin birth of Christ was a sign of Christ's deity along with thousands of other 'signs and wonders' He was apart of. This particular sign full filled one single prophesy. Everything else Christ live out and did full filled the others. It is the combination of all of his works/life, that underscores who Christ was.

Drich, this is perhaps the last occasion when I will waste my time replying to you. In seven short sentences all your major failings are on display.

1. You habitually contradict yourself because you are so eager to shoot off your mouth that you don't stop and think. First, you say that the virgin birth of Christ is not proof of anything.

Do you know what the phrase I highlighted means? If not ask someone or look it up, then I'll give you a chance to rewrite your post to reflect your new understanding of what i said.

[tokutter]

No I don't know what that garble means......did you mean

IN AND OF ITSELF
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[Tonus]

If they were involved in heavy petting and weren't careful where the semen ended up, or if they were practicing anal like so many chastity pledgers do, and some semen dripped down into her vulva, then plausible.

That would be a great one to hear. "Honest, we didn't have sex! He just RODE ME LIKE A FUCKING MARE FROM ONE SIDE OF THE ROOM TO THE OTHER. How could I have gotten pregnant???"

The only way to top that is if the guy added "My aim kinda sucks, I'll admit."

[xpastor]

How does one goto seminary and not know that the Virgin birth of Christ in of it self is not proof of anything?

Do you know what the phrase I highlighted means? If not ask someone or look it up, then I'll give you a chance to rewrite your post to reflect your new understanding of what i said.

Actually the phrase you put in big bold letters means bugger-all although I can guess at it. The correct phrase in English would be in itself or in Latin per se.

Your argument still amounts to nothing. First you say in effect that the virgin birth tells us nothing of Christ's status, and then you claim that it shows Christ's deity. You can't have it both ways. Either you think the story of the virgin birth is meaningful or you think it is not meaningful

[Drich]

[Anomalocaris]

Forgive Drich. What passes for his head is hazy from almost exploding on contact with the notion that there exist much reality outside the bible, and almost none inside it.

[Justtristo]

Claims of virgin births in U.S. near 1 per cent: study

From a study published in a British medical journal. Among young women followed over a period of 14 years approximately 0.8% claimed to have become pregnant without engaging in sexual intercourse.

Those who made such claims were much more likely to have signed a chastity pledge and also to say that their parents talked to them rarely or never about sex and birth control.

If the claim of Jesus' birth originated with his mother, this phenomenon provides a plausible explanation. After all, the penalties back then for pregnancy outside marriage were much harsher than the shame of breaking a chastity pledge.

Personally, I think the claim was more likely to have originated with his fan club after they started to claim divine status for him. There are plenty of examples in the ancient world of hero-figures whose birth was said to have resulted from a human woman being impregnated by a god—e.g., Alexander the Great.

A supervisor at work who has visited the USA, told me that Americans in general are quite dumb. Now I know why she her comment was based on careful observations, rather than some insult.

[Duck]

[Kitan Etos]

Personally, I think the claim was more likely to have originated with his fan club after they started to claim divine status for him.

It is not a far fetched notion, considering that other cultures before and around that time also had divine hero types who were born of a virgin mortal mother who had become impregnated by a god. The similarities do not end there, however. Each of the hero types in their respective cultures preached to the people, healed and spoke of god's love, was sacrificed by the people and then rose from the dead three days later. Christianity is not original in its Jesus story at all.

[Minimalist]

From a study published in a British medical journal. Among young women followed over a period of 14 years approximately 0.8% claimed to have become pregnant without engaging in sexual intercourse.

Those who made such claims were much more likely to have signed a chastity pledge and also to say that their parents talked to them rarely or never about sex and birth control.

If they were involved in heavy petting and weren't careful where the semen ended up, or if they were practicing anal like so many chastity pledgers do, and some semen dripped down into her vulva, then plausible. Otherwise they're probably lying their asses off. Considering that their parents rarely or never talked to them about sex and birth control, either scenario is likely.

At any rate, this is good evidence that "abstinence only" doesn't work worth shit for preventing unwanted pregnancies.

Ah....yes.