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Is Atheistic Humanism the ideology of the Anglo-Sphere?
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RE: Is Atheistic Humanism the ideology of the Anglo-Sphere?
East Asia's various nationalisms don't strike me as very Buddhist in nature, but I'd be interested to hear how they are. The Chinese Communist Party is still very materialist in nature -- and not particularly interested in Buddhism. It is the most dominant force in the country -- and uses Han nationalism to rule with a dose of capitalist materialism. At the moment it is crushing the most authentically Buddhist country in the world Tibet.

This contrasts with the Anglosphere whose humanism is manifested in an ideology with universal claims of human rights, scientific reason, anti-racism (through a tortured and hypocritical history), republican/democratic governance and materialistic capitalism. It uses this humanism to justify its actions much more than say China uses buddhism to justify its actions.
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#12
RE: Is Atheistic Humanism the ideology of the Anglo-Sphere?
(January 1, 2014 at 12:17 pm)theyear12013 Wrote: East Asia's various nationalisms don't strike me as very Buddhist in nature, but I'd be interested to hear how they are. The Chinese Communist Party is still very materialist in nature -- and not particularly interested in Buddhism. It is the most dominant force in the country -- and uses Han nationalism to rule with a dose of capitalist materialism. At the moment it is crushing the most authentically Buddhist country in the world Tibet.

This contrasts with the Anglosphere whose humanism is manifested in an ideology with universal claims of human rights, scientific reason, anti-racism (through a tortured and hypocritical history), republican/democratic governance and materialistic capitalism. It uses this humanism to justify its actions much more than say China uses buddhism to justify its actions.

You really do not seem to know very much about East Asia. I am currently in East Asia right now and I'm a Buddhist, Certainly Buddhism in Thailand, Burma and Sri lanka is closely associated with Nationalism. Certainly China is going through a massive Buddhist resurgence tied to the rising of a new middle class. I have no idea what you mean by 'Most authentically Buddhist country'.

China as a country does not use Buddhism because it has no official religion. As I said Buddhism is growing, as is Taoism.

I would still like you to show that Western government is less competent than elsewhere in the world since the opposite is quite patently true
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#13
RE: Is Atheistic Humanism the ideology of the Anglo-Sphere?
(January 1, 2014 at 12:28 pm)là bạn điên Wrote: You really do not seem to know very much about East Asia. I am currently in East Asia right now and I'm a Buddhist, Certainly Buddhism in Thailand, Burma and Sri lanka is closely associated with Nationalism. Certainly China is going through a massive Buddhist resurgence tied to the rising of a new middle class. I have no idea what you mean by 'Most authentically Buddhist country'.

China as a country does not use Buddhism because it has no official religion. As I said Buddhism is growing, as is Taoism.

The two most dominant countries in the region are Japan and China neither of which have Buddhist governments or governments that talk about Buddhism. Authentically Buddhist means where the government promotes Buddhism as a tool of power to impact behavior and rule. So yes, I do think Tibet was the most Buddhist when compared to Thailand or Sri Lanka but that's not an important point at all. If middle class Han Chinese are Buddhists now -- is there an underground movement to help Tibetan Buddhists escape Han Chinese repression?

Quote:I would still like you to show that Western government is less competent than elsewhere in the world since the opposite is quite patently true

Well, first I think you meant to say "show that Western governments are more competent." I'm not trying to insult -- just make sure I'm answering what you meant to say.

No where have I even suggested that Western governments are more competent. There is a great argument for that, but that's not my point at all. I won't debate that since it is not what I'm saying.

My point is that East Asia whose dominant powers are China and Japan are super homogeneous -- and not interested in outsiders moving there in large numbers. They have ethnically constructed government ideologies. As a person of European heritage -- I would not be accepted and could never be Chinese or Japanese. The idea is silly to even consider. How can a region that does not allow outsiders to fully convert to their cause ever be truly attractive outside of its area? Islam at least allows someone to join from any background -- and it is bullocks. When China or Japan accepts millions of African and South Asian immigrants as equal citizens under the law like the United Kingdom does, then perhaps East Asian ideology has matured to the point where it is relevant to 3/4 of humanity.
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RE: Is Atheistic Humanism the ideology of the Anglo-Sphere?
Quote:The two most dominant countries in the region are Japan and China neither of which have Buddhist governments or governments that talk about Buddhism. Authentically Buddhist means where the government promotes Buddhism as a tool of power to impact behavior and rule. So yes, I do think Tibet was the most Buddhist when compared to Thailand or Sri Lanka but that's not an important point at all. If middle class Han Chinese are Buddhists now -- is there an underground movement to help Tibetan Buddhists escape Han Chinese repression?

You said authentically buddhist as if somehow Tibetan Buddhism itself was authentic. From a religious viewpoint Tibettan buddhism or 'Vajrayana' is probably the least authentic and most devolved from the Hinayana.

In Thailand Buddhism is definitely a means where the government seeks to control the masses it is interwoven with extreme veneration for the King. Tibetan buddhists have no problem leaving tibet, China does not stop people leaving the country. Nothing stops Tibetans leaving for India, Bhutan or Nepal.
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RE: Is Atheistic Humanism the ideology of the Anglo-Sphere?
YPL Slam Final: Ramya Ramana, "Miss America". She won the Youth Poet Laureate competition in New York Talking about the racist tweets directed at first Asian American Miss America.

Does she damn America as she claims her Americaness, yes. Humanism rocks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za2VvN-iXfE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYqmbGtRSJI
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