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Where did Jesus go?
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Where did Jesus go?
Soviet cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin was the first person in space on April 12, 1961 aboard the Vostok. He was later reported to have said, "I don't see any god up here" but it may be the quote actually originated with Soviet leader Krushchev saying later, "Gagarin flew into space, but didn't see any god there."

At the time my understanding was that Gagarin said that, and as a newly-minted Christian, I was contemptuous and dismissive. Didn't this idiotic atheist know that God and the spirits of the blessed dead are supposed to dwell in the immaterial realm of heaven, sort of another dimension which could not be seen from anywhere in our universe?

I was of course thinking of traditional church teaching rather than any biblical texts. Heaven is where your soul goes when you die.

Now that I look at the matter, I cannot think of a single bible passage which unambiguously describes heaven as an immaterial, purely spiritual realm.

Consider Jesus' ascension described in Acts 1:9-11 and later made into one of the articles of the Apostles' Creed.
Quote:After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
Jesus is represented as floating up vertically until he is hidden by a cloud. It seems to presuppose that heaven is a physical place "up there."

Another example is that in the OT Elijah is supposedly taken up to heaven in a fiery chariot as witnessed by his disciple Elisha.

In Genesis 11 God seems genuinely concerned with the effort to build the tower of Babel to reach the heavens, and God decides to go down and stop them.

No doubt we could multiply examples, but it is enough to show that in the bible Jesus is supposed to have gone to a localized heaven a few miles above our heads.

Given that our telescopes have peered billions of light-years beyond what the ancients perceived as the vault of the sky, it seems plain that Jesus and the biblical heaven are nowhere to be found.
If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people — House
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RE: Where did Jesus go?
He went to hell.
Last I heard jesus didn't like daddy so he thought he could piss Him off by porking lucifer in hell.
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RE: Where did Jesus go?
(January 1, 2014 at 5:51 pm)Belac Enrobso Wrote: He went to hell.
Last I heard jesus didn't like daddy so he thought he could piss Him off by porking lucifer in hell.

Well, if that's the case, junior has about 30 +/- 10 years to get his shit straight. When I get there I plan on being in charge and if his attitude hasn't improved he will have to move back in with his parents.
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Could Elijah's fiery chariot actually been a UFO?
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It COULD have been someone lighting a fart, too.

But it wasn't.
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(January 2, 2014 at 1:18 am)hobie Wrote: Could Elijah's fiery chariot actually been a UFO?

More evidence of sock puppetry.
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Since when has our perception defined God's reality?

What is 'up' to God?
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If only your 'god' had a reality you'd be sitting pretty Drippy. Sadly.....
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RE: Where did Jesus go?
(January 2, 2014 at 10:55 am)Drich Wrote: Since when has our perception defined God's reality?

What is 'up' to God?
Drich, answer this simple question.

Do you think God wrote the bible for the benefit of humans, or humans wrote the bible for the benefit of God?
If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people — House
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RE: Where did Jesus go?
I'm pretty sure the Isrealites believed in a physical heaven. His throne was meant to be atop the solid firmament of the world. This whole spiritual place idea had to come about at some point when we once again constructed buildings reaching the clouds, and built airplanes.

It's just another case of changing what the bible says to conform to modern information and beliefs. Like how people will say it never condoned slavery, when it gives a detailed description of what you're able to do to your fellow human beings as far as servitude goes.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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