Do Christians actually want evidence?

[Godscreated]

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As a Christian why did you fear what was not in your future, were you demanding more of yourself than God did, could it be He gave you enough faith yet you rejected it as being to little because it did not fit your idea of salvation, yet it fit God's.

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Now I see why you feared hell while being a Christian, you did not believe what Christ said. Christ said that the Father desires no one go to eternal punishment. Also free will was okay for you, but you would deny it to those you spoke of above, that seems quite unfair. Those in bold.

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GC

No actually it was because I told a inappropriate joke about Jesus. Either way it does not matter your method failed and I'm not the only one here that can attest to that.

So you thought that simply asking for the forgivness was not enough, that sound like your idea of salvation. It's not my method, salvation is God's plan, seems you trusted it at first, then you make a mistake and change how God's plan works.

GC

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I have a question for all of you christians; what if you're wrong?

We aren't, so how will you deal with this truth is a question you personally needs to answer.

GC

[Drich]

What about me as a christian terrified of hell desperately praying for god to strengthen my faith and make a better Christian?

If your faith/house was built on sand(Religion rather than the God of the bible/Jesus) and you prayed to become a better christian then your atheism is an answer to your prayer.

Fore if you had a toxic view of God and Christianity and you wanted a better one then the only thing to do is tear down your house/faith by the wind and rains of life, and allow you the Oppertunity to rebuild this time on the rock of Christ.

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Because instead of helping these people he chose for them to burn in hell instead.

God simply enforces the desision we make for ourselves in this life. If people choose Hell over an eternity with God, then God will simple see to it they get what they spent a life time seeking. (Seperation between themselves and God.)

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I disagree, matter of fact I see mountains of doubt being moved all the time.

Unless that mountain of doubt occupied a definite spatial coordinate through which it could be moved, you're equivocating pretty blatantly, not to mention pathetically.

Oh, and even if you're right, you're wrong anyway: "Nothing will be impossible to you," is pretty clearly in favor of literal mountain moving.

Let go back to the greek and see what Jesus was talking about rather than just guessing (badly) about it shall we?

The passage in question is found in Mat 17: 14 When they came to the crowd, a man approached Jesus and knelt before him. 15 “Lord, have mercy on my son,” he said. “He has seizures and is suffering greatly. He often falls into the fire or into the water. 16 I brought him to your disciples, but they could not heal him.”

17 “You unbelieving and perverse generation,” Jesus replied, “how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring the boy here to me.” 18 Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed at that moment.

19 Then the disciples came to Jesus in private and asked, “Why couldn’t we drive it out?”

20 He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” [21]

Just in the context of the passage we can see Jesus nor his deciples were not trying to move a 1000ft mass of sand and stone. The deciples were trying to cast out a demon. Yet In the english we have the text reporting that Jesus identified this task as moving a mountain. This would have me ask what word did He orginally use and what was it's meaning?
The word in the greek is ὄρος oros It can mean a literal mountain, but again since the context does not support that understanding So if we turn to the Thyares lexicon we see the word oros can also mean (in this context)" to accomplish a most difficult task, to accomplish stupendous or incrediable things."

Kinda like how we sometimes use the word to describe a huge task.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexi...3735&t=KJV

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I have a question for all of you christians; what if you're wrong?

then nothing, now let me ask what if you Atheists are Wrong?

Answer: There will be Hell to pay.

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I disagree, matter of fact I see mountains of doubt being moved all the time.

This statement is a cop out and you know it. Please retort in a literal sense instead of talking in metaphors or allegory.

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[Lemonvariable72]

What about me as a christian terrified of hell desperately praying for god to strengthen my faith and make a better Christian?

If your faith/house was built on sand(Religion rather than the God of the bible/Jesus) and you prayed to become a better christian then your atheism is an answer to your prayer.

Fore if you had a toxic view of God and Christianity and you wanted a better one then the only thing to do is tear down your house/faith by the wind and rains of life, and allow you the Oppertunity to rebuild this time on the rock of Christ.

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Because instead of helping these people he chose for them to burn in hell instead.

God simply enforces the desision we make for ourselves in this life. If people choose Hell over an eternity with God, then God will simple see to it they get what they spent a life time seeking. (Seperation between themselves and God.)

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Unless that mountain of doubt occupied a definite spatial coordinate through which it could be moved, you're equivocating pretty blatantly, not to mention pathetically.

Oh, and even if you're right, you're wrong anyway: "Nothing will be impossible to you," is pretty clearly in favor of literal mountain moving.

Let go back to the greek and see what Jesus was talking about rather than just guessing (badly) about it shall we?

The passage in question is found in Mat 17: 14 When they came to the crowd, a man approached Jesus and knelt before him. 15 “Lord, have mercy on my son,” he said. “He has seizures and is suffering greatly. He often falls into the fire or into the water. 16 I brought him to your disciples, but they could not heal him.”

17 “You unbelieving and perverse generation,” Jesus replied, “how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring the boy here to me.” 18 Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed at that moment.

19 Then the disciples came to Jesus in private and asked, “Why couldn’t we drive it out?”

20 He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” [21]

Just in the context of the passage we can see Jesus nor his deciples were not trying to move a 1000ft mass of sand and stone. The deciples were trying to cast out a demon. Yet In the english we have the text reporting that Jesus identified this task as moving a mountain. This would have me ask what word did He orginally use and what was it's meaning?
The word in the greek is ὄρος oros It can mean a literal mountain, but again since the context does not support that understanding So if we turn to the Thyares lexicon we see the word oros can also mean (in this context)" to accomplish a most difficult task, to accomplish stupendous or incrediable things."

Kinda like how we sometimes use the word to describe a huge task.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexi...3735&t=KJV

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I have a question for all of you christians; what if you're wrong?

then nothing, now let me ask what if you Atheists are Wrong?

Answer: There will be Hell to pay.

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This statement is a cop out and you know it. Please retort in a literal sense instead of talking in metaphors or allegory.

the the post to esq

I'm going to spell this for you very bluntly. I tired your method the exact way you describe as a god fearing Christian and got nothing, absolutely nothing. This was sometime( 6 months to a 2 years) before I lost my faith altogether when I realized that the god of the bible sounds exactly like a abusive husband.

[KUSA]

@Drich
I understand what you are saying but if I can't take the words of jesus literally then the bible isn't very credible.

[Drich]

I'm going to spell this for you very bluntly. I tired your method the exact way you describe as a god fearing Christian and got nothing, absolutely nothing. This was sometime( 6 months to a 2 years) before I lost my faith altogether when I realized that the god of the bible sounds exactly like a abusive husband.

If you did try it 'my way' you would still be working on it. for my way follows the example in Luke 11. In Luke 11 we are told to 'knock' (or continue to ask and seek) till we get what we are looking for. You stopped far short. Therefore you could not have done it 'my way.'

I'm sure if you are use to doing things 'your way' and God will not acknoweledge you when you do things 'your way' He could easily be labled as abusive...

[The Reality Salesman01]

Also unfairly treated compared to people in biblical times. You know, all those earnest 1st century fact checkers who had hard evidence that the resurrection really happened.

[Drich]

No actually it was because I told a inappropriate joke about Jesus. Either way it does not matter your method failed and I'm not the only one here that can attest to that.

that is like saying a low carb diet did not help you loose weight, and you know this to be true because you gave up all carbs, except pasta, and pizza... and cookies, but all other carbs you cut out of your diet, and the diet did not work!

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@Drich
I understand what you are saying but if I can't take the words of jesus literally then the bible isn't very credible.

But your not looking at Christ's words are you? Your looking at a literal translation. which is an approximation of what Jesus would have said if he were speaking in english.

So when ever there is confusion or misunderstand 'we' must go back to the orginal language to decern what was actually said... Just like we would with any other text modern or ancient.

[Lemonvariable72]

No actually it was because I told a inappropriate joke about Jesus. Either way it does not matter your method failed and I'm not the only one here that can attest to that.

that is like saying a low carb diet did not help you loose weight, and you know this to be true because you gave up all carbs, except pasta, and pizza... and cookies, but all other carbs you cut out of your diet, and the diet did not work!

That's not true at all. I followed the exact a/s/k method you described, because I was afraid I'd committed blasphemy and was seeking the love and forgiveness of the lord.

[Bad Wolf]

Right so Lemon failed because he stopped. If he had kept going it would have worked..... eventually.
Anyone reminded of that episode of the legend of aang with the fortune teller and the red shoes?

[Drich]

that is like saying a low carb diet did not help you loose weight, and you know this to be true because you gave up all carbs, except pasta, and pizza... and cookies, but all other carbs you cut out of your diet, and the diet did not work!

That's not true at all. I followed the exact a/s/k method you described, because I was afraid I'd committed blasphemy and was seeking the love and forgiveness of the lord.

again if you did not find God and stopped Asking and seeking then you did not follow the model in luke 11. You may have very earnestly asked and sought, but you did not knock. 1/3 of everything Jesus has to say in that passage is on the importance of knocking. If you did not knock you did not complete the perscribed path. therefore you did not do it 'my' or rather God's way.

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Right so Lemon failed because he stopped. If he had kept going it would have worked..... eventually.
Anyone reminded of that episode of the legend of aang with the fortune teller and the red shoes?

If lemon kept going more than likely he would have come to a point or a realization that his current model of faith was not valid, therefore putting him is a situation to question everything, (and hold on to what is good. ) which is what we are told to do in 1thess 5:21.
the other option is to question and dismiss everything you once believed, and never look at any of it again, or even to go as far as ignoring anything God may do for him in the furtue.

This is where the knocking comes in. If Lemon were to keep knocking (and holding on to what is good) He would slowly rebuild his faith on Christ, allowing him to open his eyes and ears to God.

As it is God answered his prayer and help him get rid of the toxic elements of his faith, all lemon (or any of the rest of you who were/are in his situation) has to do now is to be faithful to this 'rest' and start to build on the clean slate God gave him.