Does BDSM Need Its Own Rights Movement?

[LastPoet]

I do not even consider these souls worthy of living.

Its a good thing that you and your brethren are rather powerless then. Remember, the same tolerance given to BDSM practitioners is also given to fascists. It is good that you exist though, just as a reminder of the stupidity of fascist thought.

[kılıç_mehmet]

I do not even consider these souls worthy of living.

Its a good thing that you and your brethren are rather powerless then. Remember, the same tolerance given to BDSM practitioners is also given to fascists. It is good that you exist though, just as a reminder of the stupidity of fascist thought.

Well, from what I can gather from your words, there is someone or a group of people dispensing tolerance to people.
Really, I personally do not need the tolerance of anyone, I don't go around and cry "persecution" at every chance I get.
We represent the best interests of our people and our society, while they represent the interests of their own bedroom antics. And why they actually don't keep it in there is another question that should be asked, as I call out their antics foul and abnormal, they tell me that I ought to mind my own business, while enacting their "pride parades" or "rights" movements, they seem to think that it is okay to present their kinks in front of everyone, and expecting them to align themselves according to their tastes.

As for our strength, it is not in numbers, neither in politics. It is our belief in a higher cause that makes us immortal. If there is even a hundred men whose conviction is absolute, they can overcome a thousand degenerates, as the spirit of brotherhood and the devotion in the noble cause is stronger than any politician, artist or journalist you can command.

[EgoRaptor]

Wake up mehmet, its 2014, not 1914. Talk about being born in the wrong century. You and your brethren are a joke, a sad, stupid one, but in this day and age still a joke.

I think that it is them that were born in the wrong century. Their degenerate antics were norm during the ancient roman and greek ages, and as humanity progressed, they were declared to be filthy and feral, they now resurrect the ancient rites of the Bacchanalia, they live for their own pleasure and their own pleasure only. I do not even consider these souls worthy of living. The world is slowly becoming more and more filled with unwanted souls like theirs. They don't serve a purpose, they don't make the world a better place, as their consciousness and self-identification is so shallow, that they cannot actually do anything other than what benefits them and them only.
"Degenerate" is indeed the right word for these people.

Greece & Rome conquered the entire know world while your people were trying to figure out how sticks work. Our openness is our strength. You ideal society would fall apart the moment someone gets their hands on a dildo.

[kılıç_mehmet]

I think that it is them that were born in the wrong century. Their degenerate antics were norm during the ancient roman and greek ages, and as humanity progressed, they were declared to be filthy and feral, they now resurrect the ancient rites of the Bacchanalia, they live for their own pleasure and their own pleasure only. I do not even consider these souls worthy of living. The world is slowly becoming more and more filled with unwanted souls like theirs. They don't serve a purpose, they don't make the world a better place, as their consciousness and self-identification is so shallow, that they cannot actually do anything other than what benefits them and them only.
"Degenerate" is indeed the right word for these people.

Greece & Rome conquered the entire know world while your people were trying to figure out how sticks work. Our openness is our strength. You ideal society would fall apart the moment someone gets their hands on a dildo.

Matters litte, though they did not really conquer the whole world, they held parts of Asia, Africa and Europe, most, just as degenerate as they were.
The Greeks were notorious pedarasts, whereas Romans had emperors that dressed as women and prostituted themselves to others.
Even though they knew better, as they too had people that had morals amongst them, they debased themselves, and were conquered by their betters.
Now you debase yourself and your cultures and traditions, and soon, you too will fall.

Our ideal society is one that is ruled by a strong, centralized state and a moral compass that actually has a base, instead of the baseless and pole-less compass of rootless, internationalist cosmopolitan.

[Esquilax]

To me, they're equally degenerate, so it matters little if they choose to have their own rights movement.

For someone to whom this "matters little," you sure have a lot of (self righteous, uninformed) things to say on the subject.

[kılıç_mehmet]

To me, they're equally degenerate, so it matters little if they choose to have their own rights movement.

For someone to whom this "matters little," you sure have a lot of (self righteous, uninformed) things to say on the subject.

Well, it matters little because there is already one such "movement" out there that proudly defends degeneracy, so why should it matter if a second one emerges?

I said what I had to say about these "X pride" movements. They are truly the pinnacle of self-righteousness because they are based on the individual, and the concept of individual morality, not collective morality. I on the other hand am not self-righteous, I do not speak for myself, I speak for the people that are part of normal society and choose to keep silent about what they do behind their own four walls.
However, since these people want us to see their shocking displays of whatever kink scene they belong to and accept them as "normal" I kinda get the feeling that they are the self-righteous ones, and without any sort of basis too.

[Esquilax]

Well, it matters little because there is already one such "movement" out there that proudly defends degeneracy, so why should it matter if a second one emerges?

I said what I had to say about these "X pride" movements. They are truly the pinnacle of self-righteousness because they are based on the individual, and the concept of individual morality, not collective morality. I on the other hand am not self-righteous, I do not speak for myself, I speak for the people that are part of normal society and choose to keep silent about what they do behind their own four walls.
However, since these people want us to see their shocking displays of whatever kink scene they belong to and accept them as "normal" I kinda get the feeling that they are the self-righteous ones, and without any sort of basis too.

So, if I'm abnormal in a way that should be silenced due to moral concerns, tell me: what demonstrably real, factual harm am I and those like me causing with our practices? Moreover, what harm is there in expecting that the public perception of such things to reflect the factual case of them and not, say, a collection of stereotypes concocted by folks like you?

To be clear, if you're correct that we're degenerate, then the record will show that too. The only possible reason you could have for objecting to us putting forward our case is if you're afraid that the factual case won't reflect the fantasy moral one that you wish to project onto us.

As for us being abnormal... who gets to determine what's normal? You? Whatever the greatest number of people deems? Because if that were the case, your religious beliefs would be just as abnormal as my sexual ones.

Oh, or would this be another case where you want the god you can't show exists to determine what's normal? Sorry, but only things that exist get a say in that.

Edited to add: And by the way, I am largely happy to keep my bedroom habits in the bedroom, thanks very much. My one request is that you and yours stop lying about what those are behind my back. Is that so unreasonable?

[Anomalocaris]

Real world has no god in it, moron.

It has me, moron.

Does it? I hadn't noticed.

:p

[kılıç_mehmet]

So, if I'm abnormal in a way that should be silenced due to moral concerns, tell me: what demonstrably real, factual harm am I and those like me causing with our practices? Moreover, what harm is there in expecting that the public perception of such things to reflect the factual case of them and not, say, a collection of stereotypes concocted by folks like you?

Who is silencing you? Me? Who? This isn't a free speech thing, man, this is a form of unsavory exhibitionism. If there is anything such as decency in you, you'd tell these people to keep whatever they are doing behind their own walls. They won't bother me, I won't bother them.

Why they so vehemently try to publicize their sex life in front of everyone is really baffling, whereas their exhibitonism does in fact reflect heavily on whatever "stereotypes" me and a grand portion of society might be enforcing, I'm sorry but it is not me who is to blame.

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Look at this and tell me that I'm just being an asshole by not wanting these freaks to roam the streets that the kids and elderly walk.

To be clear, if you're correct that we're degenerate, then the record will show that too. The only possible reason you could have for objecting to us putting forward our case is if you're afraid that the factual case won't reflect the fantasy moral one that you wish to project onto us.

Well, there is no real fantasy that these guys already don't go flaunting around.
In truth, you can only know one's sex life as much as he or she is willing to tell you, and well, these people, the "BDSM community" or whatever they are called perfectly reflect themselves as the freaks they are.
They are in for the shock value, they want people to get shocked and sickened by them, it makes them feel "important", like that they actually matter.

As for us being abnormal... who gets to determine what's normal? You? Whatever the greatest number of people deems? Because if that were the case, your religious beliefs would be just as abnormal as my sexual ones.

There is a standard for sexual norm in every society. Moreover, such norms are not too different from eachother in most countries. The most obvious sexual norm reflects on the reproductive nature of sex.
I didn't define these, nature did.

Oh, or would this be another case where you want the god you can't show exists to determine what's normal? Sorry, but only things that exist get a say in that. Rolleyes

Well, I did not mention God even once throughout our discussion. I think norms are defined by a variety of parameters. And as I said, I do not define normal, I simply conform to it(by default).
You can either choose to conform, or choose not to conform. If you choose not to, that is your problem not mine. Norms do not change at the whims and fancies of fringe groups such as these.

No matter how much you talk, these people will still be regarded as freaks as long as they flaunt their abnormal antics in front of normal society.
And this is how it should be.

And by the way, I am largely happy to keep my bedroom habits in the bedroom, thanks very much. My one request is that you and yours stop lying about what those are behind my back. Is that so unreasonable?

I truly don't know anything about your bedroom habits which is obviously not my concern, neither did I ask you about it, did I?
Neither did the many people that are subjected to the "X pride" movement propaganda campaigns.
But once you publicize something like they do, you deal with the consequences. Like the school slut, going around whoring, with her exploits being the subject of talk and stories, and then whining and complaining about how she is misunderstood and how people have no right to talk about her that way.
But I forgot, such people do not want any sort of responsibility in life! For them, life is a party, free from every burden, free from every norm, free from every form of morality, free from society, free from the past and the future.
As I said before, pathetic. Waste of good oxygen they are. If they were born as mice, they'd at least have a place in the world.

[Violet]

Does it? I hadn't noticed.

:p

Uncle Nebiros! Uncle Belial! A mortal is being mean to me!