Is Satan shown lying in the bible?

[Drich]

He tempts Christ into making stones to releive his hunger. Are you saying that Christ could NOT do such a thing?

No. Christ was sent into the desert to Fast 40 days by the Father. He was not authorized to eat at the point Satan said he could. God said no satan said He could. That my friend is a lie.

How is that a lie. Since Christ did no such thing then how do you know what would happen?

Satan Said He could do this, Jesus point out scripture that said He should not. satan said he could when in fact he couldn't. that my friend is a lie.

That if Christ bow down to him he would be allowed to rule the world.

Again how is that a lie?

If Christ bowed to satan that would mean Satan owned Christ. Christ would not rule anything as He himself was being ruled by Satan. Again that my friend is a lie.

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That if you eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge you will not die. She did and she died. Once at the evolution of the garden and again at the end of her life.

With Christ in his temptations he misrepresented Christ's authority to make bread out of stones durning his 40 day fast, he told Christ if he cast himself off the temple angels would catch him. That if Christ bow down to him he would be allowed to rule the world.

Yes Christ could have made bread, but in doing so satan would have lead Christ in exceeding his fathers will.

In the second one satan was speaking for God. The problem satan did not know what God the Father would do.

The bowing down would meant satan would be in control of Christ and even if he turn the world over to Him satan would still be In control.

Yahweh said they would die that day, and they didn't. They lived much longer than anyone is really even capable of living, if they meant the same kind of years we mean. If he just reckons time different, then I guess the joke's on him.

I doubt he'd be in control of Jesus any more than he's in control of anyone. Besides, who would really want to follow Yahweh? He's a despicable person. Not saying the devil is without fault, but he can't be much worse.

Actually they did die.

When Adam was created He was given Life or in the Hebrew Chay. After the Fall the 930 years He lived was know as Chayay This means 'Restored life.'

We know Adam was imortal as per God's command to "eat of anytree in the Garden except for the tree of knoweledge for the day you eat of it you shall surly die.." This included the tree of life which made one immortal.

After Adam and Eve were cast out they lived a restored life. Why would their lived need be restored if they had not lost them per the promis of God.

[Tonus]

They say Satan is the father of lies. They say he's come to steal, kill, and destroy. Is he shown actually doing much of anything in the bible, though.

The accusation does seem overblown, in that Satan says some things that are true and some that are not. Genesis 3:4,5 reads “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” The first part was untrue, as Eve does eventually die. The second part is correct, though, as god himself admits in Gen 3:22.

Satan boasts to god that if he is given the chance to test Job he will curse god, and this proves wrong. Since he words it as a certainty, he could be accused of lying.

When Satan tempts Jesus in the desert, Jesus does not claim that Satan is lying, and seems to accept that what Satan says could happen. His point is that it would be wrong to do so. That particular part of the Bible is a bit confusing; why would Satan ask Jesus to prove his godhood (by jumping from a dangerous height) when it's clear that he knew who Jesus was? Why offer Jesus the kingdoms of the world, when he knew that he was talking to the builder of the universe itself? Satan had, after all, seen heaven and stood before the splendor of god. To make such paltry offers was a waste of time.

You wonder if the writer of Matthew thought about this at all, or if he figured that his source material was so entertaining that it was too good to leave out, even if it didn't make any sense. It's like someone walking into your house and offering to sell you your own appliances at a discount.

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No. Christ was sent into the desert to Fast 40 days by the Father. He was not authorized to eat at the point Satan said he could. God said no satan said He could. That my friend is a lie.

Nonsense. just because'the father' had not authroised him didn;t mean he was unable to do it. Defying god is not 'lying' try again

Satan Said He could do this, Jesus point out scripture that said He should not. satan said he could when in fact he couldn't. that my friend is a lie.

You clearly can;t understand the difference between 'could' and 'should' . Jesus 'could do it' but 'should not' do it. the two are not mutually incompatible. Not a lie

If Christ bowed to satan that would mean Satan owned Christ. Christ would not rule anything as He himself was being ruled by Satan. Again that my friend is a lie.

Absolute tosh(once again) of course Christ would rule the earth he would merely owe homage to satan. Clearly you don;t understand the whole feudal system. A higher power can grant a lower power the right to rule a smaller area. Kings gave such power to Dukes ho gave lesser power to Earls and so on.

So once again. Not a lie


The real liars are Christians who make shit up all the time.

[Chad32]

Of coarse you all see it that way, people who have no absolute moral values can twist everything into what they want, truth actually has escaped you and that is a shame because you have no true foundation to live by, just twisted lies.

GC

There is no absolute morality. Even the bible isn't consistent in its own morality. The only thing we have is Human morality. That's all we've ever had, and all we'll ever have. Either because of societal progression, traditions, or claims of spiritual guidance.

[max-greece]

Of coarse you all see it that way, people who have no absolute moral values can twist everything into what they want, truth actually has escaped you and that is a shame because you have no true foundation to live by, just twisted lies.

GC

Which group are you describing? Sounds like Christians to me.

Face it - your (and Drich's) interpretation of the story of Eve and serpent are more than a stretch.

God didn't mention the knowledge of good and evil - the serpent did and he was apparently correct- this being the cited reason God threw them out of the garden thereby denying them access to the tree of life.

God had told Adam and Eve that if they ate from the tree they would surely die. The implication is clearly in a very short period thereafter, not the 900 years or so that Adam supposed lived outside of Eden.

[Chad32]

I don't know if they were ever said to have gotten around to eating from the immortality tree, but it's likely you have to keep eating from it every so often to keep being immortal. Though I still wonder why Yahweh would give immortality to beings that are capable of breeding, and women who can get pregnant at pretty much any time of the year.

[Jacob(smooth)]

God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, lest you die.’"  4 And the serpent said to the woman, "You surely shall not die!  5

Unless eve is walking around somewhere, this is a big fat whopper (within the internal narrative at least.)

[Assimilate]

And all the mean while, the good guy commits genocide.

[Jacob(smooth)]

Oh no doubt. Gods body count is far, far higher.

Nevertheless, that was not the question

[truthBtold]

Of coarse you all see it that way, people who have no absolute moral values can twist everything into what they want, truth actually has escaped you and that is a shame because you have no true foundation to live by, just twisted lies.

GC

Where do u get ur moral values? If u say the bible, then if we take away ur bible then u would be a monster??