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RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
October 10, 2016 at 4:53 pm
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Being open to him isn't an issue, you need to get passed this. I doubt that anyone could, truly, close themselves off to an almighty god. Whatever god has done, whatever he offers, simply is what it is.
I decline the offer. My conscience objects. Do you understand?
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RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
October 10, 2016 at 5:03 pm
(October 10, 2016 at 4:53 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Being open to him isn't an issue, you need to get passed this. I doubt that anyone could, truly, close themselves off to an almighty god. Whatever god has done, whatever he offers, simply is what it is.
I decline the offer. My conscience objects. Do you understand?
We're in agreement on this one. You're saying that you received the offer and you declined it. That also goes along with biblical teaching.
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RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
October 10, 2016 at 5:05 pm
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I received the offer -from you and those like you. OFC, how could I not notice..it's all you talk about? I'm not interested.
Or, did you have some other, less honest, interpretation of that sentence in mind....... 
What are you even doing here, or anywhere, as a christian...Lek?
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RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
October 10, 2016 at 5:09 pm
(October 10, 2016 at 4:30 pm)Lek Wrote: (October 10, 2016 at 2:48 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: As for my sensitivity to scripture cherry picking;
I've encountered quite a few religious folks since getting out of high school and coming out as gay. So from the 70s on I've heard Leviticus and some other books of the Bible used to justify all manner of draconian solutions to the gay question in America. I'm old enough to remember "Kill a queer for Christ" t-shirts and the Anita Bryant Save Our Children groups openly calling for concentration camps.
Well, just in Leviticus, there are over 600 of those rules, and for some reason, they almost all are universally ignored except the paltry few on the men lying with men ones.
So, yeah, I'm wondering why it's any of Leviticus instead of all of it. And the answer ALWAYS comes down to it's some person deciding on the selective fucking enforcement. Well, any person deciding operative vs inoperative parts of the bible better have some kind of blazing proof he is so authorized. God can carve his name in big letters on the moon for all of us to see, or something equally convincing.
An then if that proof is lacking, the default is going to be all of Leviticus applying to all of the faithful all of the time everywhere.
Problem is that the bible declares that we are no longer the law presented in Leviticus.
Then why aren't the moral majority types up to speed on that ?
Like I said, invoking one of 600 Levitican strictures, the one against the gay people makes me wonder why then ALL the laws of Leviticus aren't similarly active. It's very convenient that there is this INCREDIBLE coincidence the only law in Leviticus that is still in effect 2000 years after Jesus is the one against the gays. Is there a New Testament bible verse that spells that out ??
Invoke one, just one of those laws in Leviticus, then they all otta be in play. The only thing the christers have is some PERSON in their organization, decided on their own, that they were duly authorized by God Almighty to pick and choose which ones are still worth enforcing to deprive other people their rights, and which ones the flock can safely ignore since oh my God, it would be SO INCONVENIENT to have to follow the rest of them ourselves!
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RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
October 10, 2016 at 5:11 pm
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Excellent, OT law no longer applies according to Lek. So we can suck peter or worship other gods...... in short, break every commandment, on a whim. NP....right? Some objective christian morality, he's got.
He's gonna have to share a pew with you and I in heaven...and I won't even want to be there, bet that wrinkles his panties, with him avoiding everything in life he secretly desires, and us...fucking rolling in it. What a waste... of this gift of life.
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RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
October 10, 2016 at 5:19 pm
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(October 10, 2016 at 5:05 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I received the offer -from you and those like you. OFC, how could I not notice..it's all you talk about? I'm not interested.
Or, did you have some other, less honest, interpretation of that sentence in mind.......
What are you even doing here, or anywhere, as a christian...Lek?
Like I said before, I joined this forum so that I could be presented with all the arguments against my faith and see if it holds up. To be honest it has caused me to change my opinions on a number of things. For one, I am now an evolutionist. I also like to debate and christian forums are boring to me. I feel that over the last few years in this forum, I have presented my opinions respectfully to all. What do you want - a boring forum where everybody blasts theists and slaps each other on the back? That's not the purpose of this forum if I understood what I read about it when I first signed on. Also, how much fun would you have here if you didn't have people like me to make fun of?
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RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
October 10, 2016 at 5:22 pm
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I'd prefer a forum where -you- don't say batshit things about -me-, Lek...is that too much to ask? You do realize, that I've never heard a word from your ghost. You -can- acknowledge that possibility, can't you?
Or, would you prefer to continue with the pious theater?
I ask, sweetheart, because I can dance all day. If that's what that you -insist- on......?
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RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
October 10, 2016 at 5:37 pm
(October 10, 2016 at 5:09 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: (October 10, 2016 at 4:30 pm)Lek Wrote: Problem is that the bible declares that we are no longer the law presented in Leviticus.
Then why aren't the moral majority types up to speed on that ?
Like I said, invoking one of 600 Levitican strictures, the one against the gay people makes me wonder why then ALL the laws of Leviticus aren't similarly active. It's very convenient that there is this INCREDIBLE coincidence the only law in Leviticus that is still in effect 2000 years after Jesus is the one against the gays. Is there a New Testament bible verse that spells that out ??
Invoke one, just one of those laws in Leviticus, then they all otta be in play. The only thing the christers have is some PERSON in their organization, decided on their own, that they were duly authorized by God Almighty to pick and choose which ones are still worth enforcing to deprive other people their rights, and which ones the flock can safely ignore since oh my God, it would be SO INCONVENIENT to have to follow the rest of them ourselves!
We are no longer under any of the old testament law presented in Leviticus and I'm not invoking any of them.
Romans 7:4-6New Living Translation (NLT)
4 So, my dear brothers and sisters, this is the point: You died to the power of the law when you died with Christ. And now you are united with the one who was raised from the dead. As a result, we can produce a harvest of good deeds for God. 5 When we were controlled by our old nature,[a] sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful deeds, resulting in death. 6 But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit.
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RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
October 10, 2016 at 5:37 pm
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Then give it up, stop trying to enforce OT law. Live in that spirit, and try, with that spirit, to engage with people such as myself? You don't think that I'm an american original, do you? That I'm the only one who hears what you choose to offer as your opinion.......and objects?
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RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
October 10, 2016 at 5:40 pm
(October 10, 2016 at 5:22 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I'd prefer a forum where -you- don't say batshit things about -me-, Lek...is that too much to ask? You do realize, that I've never heard a word from your ghost. You -can- acknowledge that possibility, can't you?
Or, would you prefer to continue with the pious theater?
I ask, sweetheart, because I can dance all day. If that's what that you -insist- on......?
Okay. I'll take your word that you have never heard from him, but I believe it's good to always keep an open ear.
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