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RE: Just wanted to clarify something re: homosexuality
March 17, 2014 at 7:59 am
(March 14, 2014 at 11:32 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:Leviticus 20:13
King James Version (KJV)
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
I imagine that sheep or goat fucking was a bigger problem among herders but homosexuality was a normal occurrence among the Greeks. This bullshit has all the earmarks of a little propaganda trying to make the Greeks appear to be on the outs with 'god.' Since the Greeks did not arrive in the region until c 332 BC this gives us a terminus a quo for the earliest advent of this nonsense. Fucking livestock was also prohibited in the same passage. Homosexuals were to be stoned. Both the human and the animal were to be burnt alive. The ancient Israelites seemed to be aware of both men and women having sex with animals, but not aware of lesbian relations between women.
It's in one of Paul's letters (1 or 2 Cor?) that there is a warning that (practising) homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of heaven, but it's in a long list of sins including avarice. Since the sentence is followed by "Such were some of you" it's clear that he thinks there is forgiveness for those who repent. As I mentioned in another thread, some liberal Christians like Bishop Spong think that Paul was repressing homosexual urges in himself.
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RE: Just wanted to clarify something re: homosexuality
March 17, 2014 at 9:28 am
I wonder if the lake of fire has lifeguards.
Probably not. :/
Just another disgraceful lie of the Bible.
Christian love: you will burn in a fiery pit forever if you don't stop sinning!
And this is God's way of loving you.
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RE: Just wanted to clarify something re: homosexuality
March 17, 2014 at 9:56 am
(March 17, 2014 at 9:28 am)Deidre32 Wrote: I wonder if the lake of fire has lifeguards.
Probably not. :/
Just another disgraceful lie of the Bible.
Christian love: you will burn in a fiery pit forever if you don't stop sinning!
And this is God's way of loving you.
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The whole Book of Revelation features anything but a loving god. It's full of bile and hate against Judea's oppressors. For those who don't see it as divine revelation, it reads like an LSD addled revenge fantasy.
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RE: Just wanted to clarify something re: homosexuality
March 17, 2014 at 10:18 am
Quote:doing homosexual acts are forbidden,according to the bible,thus shall be thrown in the lake of fire,you can try to go against gods rule all you want but in the end its all the same.look at how allot of people are dressing know,its all devil stuff.live in youre programmed fantasy world,but the allmighty is coming soon.
The bolded statement has probably been said, in some form or other, by many people over the past 2,000 years. God's definition of "soon" is just as open to interpretation as the rest of the Bible, it seems.
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RE: Just wanted to clarify something re: homosexuality
March 17, 2014 at 11:10 am
(March 17, 2014 at 10:18 am)Tonus Wrote: The bolded statement has probably been said, in some form or other, by many people over the past 2,000 years. God's definition of "soon" is just as open to interpretation as the rest of the Bible, it seems.
One would think that such a wise and omniscient god would realize his target audience are humans that have a life expectancy of half a century. Even if "soon" has a different relative meaning to a god, an essential part of good writing is knowing who the reader is and being able to use terms the reader would understand and as they would understand them.
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RE: Just wanted to clarify something re: homosexuality
March 17, 2014 at 11:22 am
(March 14, 2014 at 11:29 pm)shep Wrote: (March 14, 2014 at 11:24 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Because I'm pretty sure 'lie' in this context is synonymous with banging.
hmm, i see.
I'm not so sure. I've heard the case made that this verse refers to having sex with another man in the same bed you share with your wife.
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RE: Just wanted to clarify something re: homosexuality
March 17, 2014 at 11:35 am
(March 17, 2014 at 7:59 am)xpastor Wrote: Fucking livestock was also prohibited in the same passage. Homosexuals were to be stoned. Both the human and the animal were to be burnt alive. The ancient Israelites seemed to be aware of both men and women having sex with animals, but not aware of lesbian relations between women.
I think that it's more likely that the men that wrote the bible just didn't mind lesbians, so they didn't bother mentioning it.
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RE: Just wanted to clarify something re: homosexuality
March 17, 2014 at 12:02 pm
(March 17, 2014 at 9:56 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: (March 17, 2014 at 9:28 am)Deidre32 Wrote: I wonder if the lake of fire has lifeguards.
Probably not. :/
Just another disgraceful lie of the Bible.
Christian love: you will burn in a fiery pit forever if you don't stop sinning!
And this is God's way of loving you.
*sigh*
The whole Book of Revelation features anything but a loving god. It's full of bile and hate against Judea's oppressors. For those who don't see it as divine revelation, it reads like an LSD addled revenge fantasy. lol! You know what's so fucked up about it all too is this is ONE person's supposed "vision?"
Stop the presses everyone, I had a dream last night and I want you to change how you live over it! O..o
Sigh...
Maybe they were all high, hey now. I could buy the story then. 
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RE: Just wanted to clarify something re: homosexuality
March 17, 2014 at 12:28 pm
(March 17, 2014 at 11:35 am)Faith No More Wrote: (March 17, 2014 at 7:59 am)xpastor Wrote: Fucking livestock was also prohibited in the same passage. Homosexuals were to be stoned. Both the human and the animal were to be burnt alive. The ancient Israelites seemed to be aware of both men and women having sex with animals, but not aware of lesbian relations between women.
I think that it's more likely that the men that wrote the bible just didn't mind lesbians, so they didn't bother mentioning it. By the time of the New Testament Paul is aware of them and disapproves. Speaking of the pagans he says, "Even the women pervert the natural use of their sex by unnatural acts. In the same way the men give up natural sexual relations with women and burn with passion for each other." Romans 1
Possibly the Greeks and Romans were more open about such things than the Jews. I think the guys who wrote the Old Testament were just clueless schmucks who didn't pay any attention to what was going on in the women's quarters.
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RE: Just wanted to clarify something re: homosexuality
March 17, 2014 at 12:40 pm
(March 17, 2014 at 11:22 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: (March 14, 2014 at 11:29 pm)shep Wrote: hmm, i see.
I'm not so sure. I've heard the case made that this verse refers to having sex with another man in the same bed you share with your wife. So no three ways with two men and a woman, but having multiple wives is fine? As a straight guy, I'm cool with that. 
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