The Human Mind

[Chas]

Regarding the pyramids, humans were once much stronger than we are today. Just look at the strength of chimps who eat mostly fruit, or gorillas who eat mostly plants. These are our ancestors/cousins. I read an article the other day that gorillas do not suffer from muscle-wasting like humans do i.e. unlike humans who have to keep exercising to retain muscles, gorillas can lounge around all day and not lose a thing.

In the 1930s Dr Francis Pottenger did experiments on cats that demonstrated a physical decline over a few generations when cats' diets were denatured. A similar thing has happened with humans under civilisation.

They are most definitely not our ancestors, they are only our cousins.

Chimps have been evolving separately from humans for 6,000,000 years.

Maybe our common ancestor was stronger, maybe weaker, than chimpanzees or us.

[bluhatpill]

The human mind hasn't advanced much under modern science which has, save for exceptions, became a pretty dull and non curious stick.

No one makes a distinct difference (the way the ancients used to )between their emotions, and their mental or thinking body. People still try to think with their emotions. Particularly in politics People think that consciousness is the mind and don't know the difference between conscious and awareness , still don't know the differences between belief, thinking, and knowing.

It seems we have devolved because our forebears knew those things, they made comparisons between the emotional body and water; will and fire; The mind and air. The physical body and the earth. They understood the human was a composite and now we tend to treat it as a big blob of scary matter that must be reduced to a predetermined perspective before the universe squashes us and gobbles us up!

If one can reduce something to a tiny manageable part its no longer scary. Magickal thinking. "We're going to put the entire endless forever and forever huge universe in a box. "


You watch someone like that examine a tire on a car and they totally understand the tire but they don't understand how the tire works in relation to the rest of the car because as far as they are concerned the rest of the car doesn't exist; even though the tire is moving the car, another unseen part of the car is moving the tire. And they don't want to look at it....they are quite content to know the tire is moving the car and anything beyond that is ....magickal thinking. You can't examine something if you won't look at it.

Obsessed with the construct of singular parts rather than how the object works as whole. Or what the purpose of the whole construct. That's religion. The ego mind loves concepts like religion because it keeps it feeling safe, nothing will threaten it. So the ego mind made sure science became religious. Never examine anything that may challenge their pre-established beliefs which is their only defense against the mysterious huge universe that will come step on them if they put down their defenses just a little.

It really won't. Just old subconscious religious programming. Yes its startling to see it in people who claim to be atheists or scientific but science has turned really religious these last several decades. It's not that this sort of thing can't be seen ..its just their reductionist perspective don't allow them to see it. It's very easy to observe someone's behaviors. That's what science was supposed to be all about...observation not belief.

Not sure how curiosity got killed in science. Fear I guess.

The mistakes of modern chemical psychology have provided beyond a shadow of a doubt evidence that emotions are NOT chemical reactions regardless of the comfortable belief currently peddled about like chick pamphlets. We have an epidemic of depression, and anxiety in the world. If that was solely chemical imbalance it would be easily managed by balancing the abnormal chemistry with balancing chemistry. Chemistry is super important to our psychological health no denying that. In spite of varied meds people get more depressed, not better. Lots of people even kill themselves when starting anti depressants because their chemistry is now normalized to the point they are VERY aware of their emotional state because its no longer been chemically depressed. And it overwhelms them. That's not helpful. Does science want to be right or do they want to be helpful? They want to be right. That's not humanism that is selfish.

Some people do recover with the help of chemistry but they only have the chemical imbalance not an underlying emotional issue. An unseen emotional issue. We aren't allowed to see it because its make reductionist scientists uncomfortable to look at it. Because they can't see it. Others can but they won't because ....

That leads us to another question. How much of our thinking hardwires our brains? To the point they can't see what others can.

I used to think they just didn't want to see it but I see now they can't so there's no really no point in flogging them to do something they can't do.

Emotions create chemicals. The neuro chemistry that people insist are emotions are only carriers that transmute emotion into a chemical that can be felt (feelings) by the human body. How many people know the difference between emotions and feelings. Not many. That is someone one can experience for yourself. Or you can experiment for yourself experience being the better part of experiment after all.

The brain transforms an intangible, non physical emotion into a something felt by the human body. Study of the adrenal system marks that pretty much on the spot. Startle or spook someone. One has an emotion, it creates a chemical produced so the body can put into motion. Emotion to motion (why are these two words so similar?) Now startle someone who really has done a lot of work on the emotional body and you can't spook them nor will that chemical reaction be produced.

The chemical reaction is absent because the emotion is. Nothing is wrong with the chemistry those glands that produce are in perfect working order...yet its not produced the way one would expect... The universe crawled out of its box again.

Fortunately physics is stepping forward and getting out the religious trap modern science walked into (reductionism--we only look at what we are comfortable looking at--thinking with our emotions--religion) and observing that the mind is a holographic construct in a electric universe. Then the brain too would be holographic in nature. If the mind is the brain well,,, the brain is holographic too. A bit of trap they've made for themselves by insisting the brain is the mind.

Conventional science will have a problem because this is other scientists charging the sacred halls of scientific belief and doing what should have been done all along. Ridding science of belief systems. It's not spiritualists doing it, or evangelists...its other scientists.

These researchers began by looking at ancient structures and symbols like the pyramids. Pyramidal shapes were one of the shapes the ancients perceived as part of the creation process (God) along with angles and circles. Now physicists are finding that very basic building blocks of creation are structured along those same shapes at a sub atomic level. That's why I say we have devolved. The allegedly ignorant ancients knew this thousands of years ago and most people--religious or not-- don't want to know it today because...it challenges their belief systems. It was previously thought to be 'mystic' symbols. Like the whole of the ancient world just had this odd quirk for splashing geometric shapes hither and yon like some sort of hobby and no one ever questions why so many cultures engaged in that peculiar quirk ..(the reductionist view) or....because they were splashing geometric shapes hither and yon that might mean those shapes have some greater importance or value ....(the route real curiosity driven science would take...).

The physicists found out that these shapes were the same shapes found in the basic constructs of subatomic matter. Very interesting stuff.

[bennyboy]

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Proof that LSD affects brain chemistry.

[Anomalocaris]

Pyramids are not fucking complicated. Put bunch of rocks together. Get a fuckton of sand. Put some more rocks. Don't forget that it required fuckton of slaves and fuckton of years. Nothing miraculous about it AT ALL.

The quite miraculous parts are:

1. Move the 3 million rocks weighing 2 tons apiece.

2. Stack the rocks so the 4 edges of the pyramids are straight AND meet at the apex

3. Do so before the pharaoh dies.

The most miraculous part is they solved these problem even though these problems are both very difficult AND so subtle that some idiot born 5000 years later would still fail completely to grasp their magnitude.

[tor]

Pyramids are not fucking complicated. Put bunch of rocks together. Get a fuckton of sand. Put some more rocks. Don't forget that it required fuckton of slaves and fuckton of years. Nothing miraculous about it AT ALL.

The quite miraculous parts are:

1. Move the 3 million rocks weighing 2 tons apiece.

2. Stack the rocks so the 4 edges of the pyramids are straight AND meet at the apex

3. Do so before the pharaoh dies.

The most miraculous part is they solved these problem even though these problems are both very difficult AND so subtle that some idiot born 5000 years later would still fail completely to grasp their magnitude.

Moving 3 million big ass rocks does not sound miraculous but fucking impractical.
The building itself is very simple it just takes a lot of effort.

[Anomalocaris]

1. The human mind is likely getting worse on average. Technological advances which increase survival have logically reduced the effect of natural selection. If you need proof, go to youtube.

2. The pyramids were largely built by laborers, not slaves. The agricultural system was based on the annual flooding of the Nile, and so there were long stretches when agricultural workers didn't have much to do. Graffiti and, more recently, graves of pyramid laborers support this position.

On the contrary, modern genetics show certain recently mutations in behavior and cognitive related genes have spread extraordinarily rapidly throughout the global human population over the last 5000 years. This suggested that, obscured as it might be by vagaries of human perception and record keeping, very strong evolutionary selective pressures have acted upon human cognitive and behavioral traits just since the time the pyramids were built. Which in turn indicated genetically we as a species has already evolved noticeable in our cognitive capabilities since the pyramids.

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The quite miraculous parts are:

1. Move the 3 million rocks weighing 2 tons apiece.

2. Stack the rocks so the 4 edges of the pyramids are straight AND meet at the apex

3. Do so before the pharaoh dies.

The most miraculous part is they solved these problem even though these problems are both very difficult AND so subtle that some idiot born 5000 years later would still fail completely to grasp their magnitude.

Moving 3 million big ass rocks does not sound miraculous but fucking impractical.
The building itself is very simple it just takes a lot of effort.

They were smart enough to make what seem impractical to you not only accomplishable, but accomplished.

Furthermore, you seem to want to prove the sort of mental problem needed to make the four edges of the pyramid meet at the apex is not only beyond you to solve, but beyond you to detect. Egyptians, on the other hand, proved they detected it by solving it on their first try.

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There are also several older pyramids that are not so triangular. It took them a few generations and alot of trial and error until they found a way for the structure to remain triangular.

Uh, no. The earlier pyramids might have been step pyramids, but the very first Egyptian attempt at a true triangular pyramid, which involve a myriad of precision survey problems not encountered with step pyramids, succeeded perfectly from survey perspective. This suggests the analytical solution to the key geometric problem of true pyramid construction was known before the first true pyramid was started, and was not obtained empirically by trial and era during the start of the pyramid age.

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Regarding the pyramids, humans were once much stronger than we are today. Just look at the strength of chimps who eat mostly fruit, or gorillas who eat mostly plants. These are our ancestors/cousins. I read an article the other day that gorillas do not suffer from muscle-wasting like humans do i.e. unlike humans who have to keep exercising to retain muscles, gorillas can lounge around all day and not lose a thing.

You ignore the fact that overall, humans tend to be more muscular than gorillas or chimps. Gorillas and chimps have much greater a arm strengths, yes. But humans have much more muscle in the torso, the buttocks and the legs. Overall, humans, especially males, are overmuscled. It is suggested that human muscle is developed as part of ostentatious sexual display. The muscularness of the individual being a sign to the opposite sex of the fitness and living condition of the individual.

This may be why human muscles waste. Though recent human evolutionary history, just as in modern industrialized socieities, Human muscles are an luxury for show, not for use. Hence they are allowed to waste away if not used.

[Angrboda]

Regarding the pyramids, humans were once much stronger than we are today. Just look at the strength of chimps who eat mostly fruit, or gorillas who eat mostly plants. These are our ancestors/cousins. I read an article the other day that gorillas do not suffer from muscle-wasting like humans do i.e. unlike humans who have to keep exercising to retain muscles, gorillas can lounge around all day and not lose a thing.

In the 1930s Dr Francis Pottenger did experiments on cats that demonstrated a physical decline over a few generations when cats' diets were denatured. A similar thing has happened with humans under civilisation.

At the time of Pottenger's Study the amino acid taurine had been discovered but had not yet been identified as an essential amino acid for cats. Today many cats thrive on a cooked meat diet where taurine has been added after cooking. The deficient diets lacked sufficient taurine to allow the cats to properly form protein structures and resulted in the health effects observed. Pottenger himself concluded that there was likely an "as yet unknown" protein factor that may have been heat sensitive.

Your representation of Pottenger's study is dishonest and your inference about the effect of civilization ridiculous.

[mralstoner]

Your representation of Pottenger's study is dishonest and your inference about the effect of civilization ridiculous.

Ahem, Blind Freddy can see that with both animals and humans, the more denatured the diet, the quicker the degeneration, and the effects are cumulative over generations. You can quibble over the details of Pottenger if you want, but the general point remains valid.

One of the reasons civilisations rise and fall is because those inside the gates eat processed/denatured diets while those "barbarians" outside the gate eat natural foods. The stereotype of the fat, pasty Westerner with allergies is proof enough. Immigrants aren't labelled "vibrant" because of our imagination, they really are physically healthier. The West is a dying civilisation (on current trends) and denatured diet is a big part of it.

[bennyboy]

One of the reasons civilisations rise and fall is because those inside the gates eat processed/denatured diets while those "barbarians" outside the gate eat natural foods.

Ummm. . . the world speaks a Germanic language mixed with French and Norse in addition to Latin. So we ARE "those barbarians."

[mralstoner]

Ummm. . . the world speaks a Germanic language mixed with French and Norse in addition to Latin. So we ARE "those barbarians."

Yeah and the Germanics/Westerners are on a fast track to be conquered by the Chinese, who are building up their military, biding their time, preparing for asymmetric war to attack America's blind spots. Meanwhile Obama neuters the American military and thinks he can rule the world with the "hand of friendship". That's working pretty well, don't you think? Just like the "reset" button he gave Putin. America is in retreat and China, Russia and Iran and Islamic lunatics are filling the void. Power fills a vacuum and the West is in terminal decline. Terminal.