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TRUTH & LIFE....
March 20, 2014 at 1:43 am
Just a simple question or 3 to ponder. What is it that makes us all the same in our journey through life?
Could it be the quest for Love? For Peace? For Happiness?
...or more importantly, Truth?
Isn't that what we are ALL seeking in life? Doesn't that fact make us all the same?
Wanting confirmation in our "system"...whatever it is! Through our understanding and knowledge. Through our experiences and relationships.
There is something we do know. Whether by Faith or Knowledge: We still haven't found the real truth in this existence. Maybe what frustrates us the most is; We can't get it on our own, and that the truth needs to be revealed to us in some final defining moment of our lives.
So, in your minds-eye, or heart what is the [holder] of Truth that we seek?
And what of the "journey" to truth? In the essence of, and relation to, the final answer? Does it matter or connect to you at all? Do we eventually: give-up looking, wear-out, or perhaps we fool ourselves at some point; into a square box of knowledge, or beliefs we built on..... what essentially is: things others have told us?
...thanks for your serious observations and thoughts! Ron
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RE: TRUTH & LIFE....
March 20, 2014 at 2:00 am
I don't think that there is some singular real truth to our existence beyond the incremental improvement of knowledge provided by the sciences. That's an invention by the religions. I am not frustrated at all by the absence of a deep meaning of life and all the rest, the only thing that bugs me is that the week after I die, they will probably discover something really cool that I miss. Assholes.
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RE: TRUTH & LIFE....
March 20, 2014 at 5:27 am
The "TRUTH" is quite simply beyond us.
However, the journey towards that truth is far more interesting than the truth will ever be.
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RE: TRUTH & LIFE....
March 20, 2014 at 6:19 am
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RE: TRUTH & LIFE....
March 20, 2014 at 6:42 am
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Quote: Could it be the quest for Love? For Peace? For Happiness?
...or more importantly, Truth?
Isn't that what we are ALL seeking in life? Doesn't that fact make us all the same?
No.
Personally I'm seeking happiness. Love and peace are means to that end and I couldn't give a rats arse about truth. Or even Truth. Whatever that is.
It's not a fact that we're all seeking truth (saying it is doesn't make it so) , thus, your argument is invalid.
Also
Quote: Wanting confirmation in our "system"...whatever it is!
Is a fabulous way to NOT find the truth.
I did a study on confirmation bias once.
The results were exactly what I expected
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
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RE: TRUTH & LIFE....
March 20, 2014 at 7:49 am
Two things here:
There is no end destination of "the truth". It's something we'll be constantly learning until the day we cease to exist. It will never be over.
Second, the phrase "I want to know the truth" is in itself meaningless. You need to know the truth about something. "Truth" isn't independent of something that can be described as true or false.
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RE: TRUTH & LIFE....
March 20, 2014 at 7:52 am
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RE: TRUTH & LIFE....
March 20, 2014 at 9:52 am
Reality doesn't care about what you think is true or not.
"what makes us all the same"?... breathing, eating, shitting.... some of us breed, keeping all of us going...
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RE: TRUTH & LIFE....
March 20, 2014 at 10:17 am
Truth boils down to the choices we make, every day. Whether we believe in a god or not--or follow a religion or not, may motivate our direction and choices. But "truth"...what we value...becomes evident through our actions. Where we spend our time and money is what we value most, regardless of our world view.
We could ponder the "meaning of life" all day long, but where we devote our energies, is actually what defines us. This is why we see many religious people talk a good game about love and peace, but then you see them doing things counter to that.
Atheist or believer, your thoughts, beliefs and words are honestly meaningless if your actions tell a different story.
So, we may all be seeking truth in different ways, but your actions will reveal what truth actually means to you. That's how I see it, anyways. :-)
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RE: TRUTH & LIFE....
March 20, 2014 at 11:40 am
(March 20, 2014 at 2:00 am)Alex K Wrote: I don't think that there is some singular real truth to our existence beyond the incremental improvement of knowledge provided by the sciences. That's an invention by the religions. I am not frustrated at all by the absence of a deep meaning of life and all the rest, the only thing that bugs me is that the week after I die, they will probably discover something really cool that I miss. Assholes. I think this is as good a way of putting it as I've seen.
I have also come to think that reaching some end point, some point where we learn that final "truth" of everything, would be the most depressing moment for anyone. What do you do when you've learned everything there is to learn, or know everything there is to know? That's when we start to die.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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