How Do You Respond to Transphobic Arguments?/I'm back!

[Esquilax]

So what I'm saying is not that transgender people are bad people, nor am I saying that they choose their treatment option - it's in fact prescribed to them by physicians, but what I am saying is that your argument that "if someone identifies this way others need to respect that" is not how it works at all. That's like saying if I identify myself as aboriginal you have to respect me as being a traditional land owner - you'd have every right to point out to me there's not a drop of aboriginal blood in my DNA, and in the same way a person with a normal set of chromosomes has a definite biological gender, and the fact they identify with the opposite one doesn't negate that fact.

Do you... seriously not see how bad that comparison is? An aboriginal's rights as a traditional land owner don't come from blood, but from the factual case that they literally were the owners of the land. Genetics don't come into it at all, except insofar as bloodlines are one of the ways that we handle inheritance. There's literally no analogue between the two concepts.

[tor]

Aractus it's about respect of sentient beings. If they choose to identify that way and they are not fucking with the rights of other people what's the problem with that? They still have feelings and thoughts.

[Alex K]

I love all the people no matter what they are but I am not sure if transgenderism is not a sickness. It can be something in their brain causing them to feel like they got the wrong body but I still count it as anomaly. I am not afraid of em and I treat em like every other human but I still don't think it's normal in any way.
They deserve happiness like anyone else but so are people who are born without legs and I don't think being born with no legs is normal.

Transgenderism and being born without legs is not normal in the sense that it is rare. What was your point though?

[tor]

I love all the people no matter what they are but I am not sure if transgenderism is not a sickness. It can be something in their brain causing them to feel like they got the wrong body but I still count it as anomaly. I am not afraid of em and I treat em like every other human but I still don't think it's normal in any way.
They deserve happiness like anyone else but so are people who are born without legs and I don't think being born with no legs is normal.

Transgenderism and being born without legs is not normal in the sense that it is rare. What was your point though?

What's your definition of normal?

[Alex K]

Transgenderism and being born without legs is not normal in the sense that it is rare. What was your point though?

What's your definition of normal?

Depends on context. I just gave you one.

[tor]

Well if rare =/= normal then it's not normal.
What I think is important is where you draw the line between normal desires and harmful desires.
Because some people are born with desires to cut off their limbs(it's a brain condition which does exist and rare).
Should we allow them to amputate their limbs? Or maybe try to remove the condition from their brains?
They might be happy if they have no limbs or they might not. They might regret it later.
Cause transgenderism usually involves surgery which is more serious matter than 2 gay people fucking each other.
So I'm not sure what I should call this thing and if it should be encouraged or not.

[My imaginary friend is GOD]

Hmmm... just figured it out, tor... all the time you spend on AF should definitely be used trolling on Youtube or being on 4chan instead

[tor]

Hmmm... just figured it out, tor... all the time you spend on AF should definitely be used trolling on Youtube or being on 4chan instead

So you still love me

[OGirly]

As a cisgender woman who barely knew only one transgender person in my life, I don't run into transphobia that much.

My goodness, I can't believe the extreme level of PC you've gone to.

The medical condition suffered by individuals who become transgender is gender dysphoria. In most of the world doctors will not perform gender reassignment surgery on someone not diagnosed with this disorder.

The idea that transsexualism is normal is wrong - it isn't, it's caused by a psychological disorder. It is in fact a form of treatment for the symptom of the illness. This would be why your boyfriend is essentially right in saying that "it's all in their head" it is, but it's also a mental illness and like many others it requires medical treatment as well as our understanding.

Now let's ask an important question: is hormone replacement therapy the right course of action for people why suffer from gender dysphoria (well more specifically gender identity disorder)? At present it's used due to the fact it seems to be the only medical option for some patients, however it's important to remember that the theory that some people have a "brain gender" that differs from their biological gender is far from settles, and like in all science needs to be challenged as much as possible so we can develop better medical science and better ways for treating patients with mental disorders.

So what I'm saying is not that transgender people are bad people, nor am I saying that they choose their treatment option - it's in fact prescribed to them by physicians, but what I am saying is that your argument that "if someone identifies this way others need to respect that" is not how it works at all. That's like saying if I identify myself as aboriginal you have to respect me as being a traditional land owner - you'd have every right to point out to me there's not a drop of aboriginal blood in my DNA, and in the same way a person with a normal set of chromosomes has a definite biological gender, and the fact they identify with the opposite one doesn't negate that fact.

There is good medical evidence that is is physiological and not psychological. Do a little research into newer discoveries after the 80's Diabetes is not 'normal' but surely people deserve to be treated as 'normal' if they have diabetes. Most cases, stressing the most here, of transsexuality (not transgender which is what you were referring to when it's someone 'thinking' not a physiological reason) are because of a mismatch between the brain and the body (this happens at the point where the body changes into a male body from the female as happens to every male). It's not psychological hence most are treated by non-psychological means.

[My imaginary friend is GOD]

*was going to post about how much I wanted OP to be on his/her back right now*

*decided against it*


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