Why It Is Not Too Late To Repent And Turn To Christ

[Neo-Scholastic]

Revelation I asked a question. Does Bertrand Russel burn in hell right now?

Probably. After all, he was an atheist and most likely confined his loves and thoughts to the things of the material world.

[Bob Kelso]

Revelation I asked a question. Does Bertrand Russel burn in hell right now?

Probably. After all, he was an atheist and most likely confined his loves and thoughts to the things of the material world.

So that makes it ok for him to be tortured for eternity does it? Talk about moral bankruptcy.

[Revelation777]

Are you blaming God? I thought you don't believe in Him?

I'm blaming shitheads like you who invent an all-powerful god and then make excuses for why he sits on his fucking ass while people die for no reason.

YOU...and other idiots like you...are the problem.

I try not to harm anyone. God is at work in restoring the world into the perfect state He created it before we disobeyed and messed it all up. I have nothing against you, why do you seem so angered when you respond to me? And please don't say because I am a %#*&%head.

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Jesus paid the price in full for all sins for those who come to Him.

Does Bertrand Russel burn in hell right now?

I am not the Judge of the Universe.

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Hitler said he was a Christian, but his actions and life say otherwise.

I think I asked this before, but where is the line that determines when you stop being a Christian? Christians admit that man is but a lowly sinner who depends on god's undeserved mercy and Christ's ransom sacrifice. Therefore every Christian does unchristian things now and then. Where is the line that you use to decide that Hitler isn't a Christian and someone else is?

I can't judge a person's heart, but Jesus said you can tell a tree by the fruit it produces.

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Jesus paid the price in full for all sins for those who come to Him.

So you're okay with murderers getting an ultimate reward, while non-murdering atheists get eternally punished? That's justice, to you?

I am guilty before a holy and just God and need a Savior. He rescued me. I rely on His righteousness not my own merit which is nothing.

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Hitler said he was a Christian, but his actions and life say otherwise.

I think I asked this before, but where is the line that determines when you stop being a Christian? Christians admit that man is but a lowly sinner who depends on god's undeserved mercy and Christ's ransom sacrifice. Therefore every Christian does unchristian things now and then. Where is the line that you use to decide that Hitler isn't a Christian and someone else is?

Only God can judge the heart. He did warn that many would call him, Lord, Lord in that day and even of done great things in His name but He will respond to them, "I never knew you." So the title of Christian is flippantly used akin to the word love.

[Bob Kelso]

And please don't say because I am a %#*&%head.

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How about because you're a gullible, willfully ignorant tool then?

I think I asked this before, but where is the line that determines when you stop being a Christian? Christians admit that man is but a lowly sinner who depends on god's undeserved mercy and Christ's ransom sacrifice. Therefore every Christian does unchristian things now and then. Where is the line that you use to decide that Hitler isn't a Christian and someone else is?

I can't judge a person's heart, but Jesus said you can tell a tree by the fruit it produces.

Jesus hates fig trees that don't produce figs on command.

Mark 11: 12-14 12 The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. 13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. 14 Then he said to the tree, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard him say it.

So you're okay with murderers getting an ultimate reward, while non-murdering atheists get eternally punished? That's justice, to you?

I am guilty before a holy and just God and need a Savior. He rescued me. I rely on His righteousness not my own merit which is nothing.

So yes, you're ok with it.

[Tonus]

I can't judge a person's heart, but Jesus said you can tell a tree by the fruit it produces.

If you pick the fruit from a tree, you will judge whether it is fit to consume or not. It is unlikely that the fruit will either be perfect for consumption or so rotten that it must be discarded. Still, there is a line where you would determine that the fruit is fit to eat or not, and a line where you would decide to discard it rather than eat it or leave it.

Where is the line that makes a Christian saved or damned? If you can dismiss the actions of a self-professed Christian because the actions were not Christian, then that means a Christian is one who performs Christian acts. If so, then there are no Christians.

Where is the line drawn?

[Godlesspanther]

So you're okay with murderers getting an ultimate reward, while non-murdering atheists get eternally punished? That's justice, to you?

I am guilty before a holy and just God and need a Savior. He rescued me. I rely on His righteousness not my own merit which is nothing.

You avoided the question. You were specifically asked about justice. According to your sick, twisted, fucked-up belief system -- Ted Bundy and Jeffery Dahmer are rewarded in heaven because they did the magic jesus dance and Anne Frank and Gandhi are in hell.

The question is -- is this justice to you? No excuses about god's justice being "not our ways" or idiotic excuses like that. The question is -- does this seem like justice TO YOU?

I understand that you don't like the question. Because if the scenario really honestly seems just and fair to you then you are a psycho. If you admit that this is not justice at all, which is just honest, then you have to admit that the grand cosmic cupcake is simply not just.

And it is not justice. The fact of the matter is the your goo-goo in the sky and dead hippie on a stick exist only between your ears. That's fine -- I respect your right to believe whatever you want to. I respect your RIGHT, that is, I do not respect your beliefs and I do not respect your imaginary friends and I do not respect the cult that you belong to. Those things have not earned, and do not deserve respect.

Your belief system is primitive, ignorant, barbaric, superstitious, uncivilized, and grossly immoral. And it's wrong.

[Brian37]

Yes, we put the Truth of God firstly because He said we shall know the truth and the truth will set us free.

Do us a favor, don't thank us for our feedback then spew feelgood utopia cliches at us. You don't want our feedback, you want to placate your own fantasies.

[Revelation777]

Probably. After all, he was an atheist and most likely confined his loves and thoughts to the things of the material world.

So that makes it ok for him to be tortured for eternity does it? Talk about moral bankruptcy.

It appears God may of made a place for those who really want nothing to do with Him.

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Are you blaming God? I thought you don't believe in Him?

I'm blaming shitheads like you who invent an all-powerful god and then make excuses for why he sits on his fucking ass while people die for no reason.

YOU...and other idiots like you...are the problem.

I didn't invent God. I learned about Him from a very young age and grew to love Him because He cares for and loves me. Now we have a great relationship with each other.

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Firstly, it seems like you are getting into the habit of either asking a question and then put parameters around how we can respond to them. I don't think that is fair.

I'm trying to avoid the obvious dodges that theists use to avoid answering the question, so that I can get to the information that I want to know; namely, whether you derive your morals from an unchanging source, or whether they change as god's opinion does.

Surely you'd agree that, when you're asked "would X or Y change your position?" that answering "X or Y will never happen," doesn't answer the question?

Secondly, you are trying to ask a hypothetical with what intention, to trap me? They did the same to Jesus. I am not going to answer this one.

Trap you? No: I just want to know whether your moral positions shift along with the opinions of a conscious (divine or no) entity, or whether they're actually objective and remain true regardless of what anyone thinks of them.

Though I find it rather telling that you'd consider that question a trap: could it be that the answer that actually came to your mind struck you as somewhat troubling? Would posting it here make you look bad among the atheists?

I'm surprised you are judging me on a moral standard? Base on who? Or on what? Who sets it if there is no God?

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Yes, we put the Truth of God firstly because He said we shall know the truth and the truth will set us free.

Do us a favor, don't thank us for our feedback then spew feelgood utopia cliches at us. You don't want our feedback, you want to placate your own fantasies.

I didn't write the Word of God, I am just referring to it. Sorry it offends you to me it gives me hope.

[Chas]

It appears God may of made a place for those who really want nothing to do with Him.

May have made ...

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I'm blaming shitheads like you who invent an all-powerful god and then make excuses for why he sits on his fucking ass while people die for no reason.

YOU...and other idiots like you...are the problem.

I didn't invent God. I learned about Him from a very young age and grew to love Him because He cares for and loves me. Now we have a great relationship with each other.

No, you were indoctrinated with this myth and are too ignorant and credulous to see the absurdity of it.

Your "relationship" is all inside your head. It's called delusional thinking.

[Revelation777]

Jesus paid the price in full for all sins for those who come to Him.

So you're okay with murderers getting an ultimate reward, while non-murdering atheists get eternally punished? That's justice, to you?

I'd love to see all of you get saved so we can enjoy heaven together and perhaps sweet fellowship here on earth.

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And please don't say because I am a %#*&%head.

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How about because you're a gullible, willfully ignorant tool then?

I can't judge a person's heart, but Jesus said you can tell a tree by the fruit it produces.

Jesus hates fig trees that don't produce figs on command.

Mark 11: 12-14 12 The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. 13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. 14 Then he said to the tree, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard him say it.

I am guilty before a holy and just God and need a Savior. He rescued me. I rely on His righteousness not my own merit which is nothing.

So yes, you're ok with it.

There is a spiritual lesson to be learned there.