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[Rhizomorph13]

Oh hi Dotard,

I guess your fun thread about gaming turned into a argument.

I've known many people who were conspiracy nuts and no matter what evidence you give them that refutes their belief they can always say, "Well, of course! That is what 'they' want you to believe!" I had a friend who wouldn't sign up for a Fred Meyer card because he didn't want the government to get his information. I guess he forgot about the documents he signed at the DMV when he picked up his license. Toxic Con Trails is another fun theory along with mind control drugs that they put in vaccinations.

Rhizo

[Pippy]

a known conspiracy theorist

I almost fell out of my chair with laughter. Not a conspiracy theorist! A KNOWN one too! Golly! I have tried to explain before that the term 'conspiracy theorist' is about as valid as 'anti-semite'. There isn't even such a thing. I would be offended, but I am used to your style of debate.

You think Osama led 19 Saudi hijackers. That is a theory about a conspiracy, but you are not a conspiracy theorist? Try not to get wrapped up in the stupidity around us.

I still think that outsourcing your opinion is a flaw. I am willing to read a peer reviewed journal, and add that information to the pile whith which to make my own opinion. I am not as much willing to read a study and then form of whole opinion based on it and tout it as objective truth. Please try harder to think for yourself.

For your intelligence, sometimes you can be very difficult.

[Rob]

Oh hi Dotard,

I guess your fun thread about gaming turned into a argument.

*snip*

Rhizo

Exactly! In an effort to bring the thread back to the topic, here is a picture about a hedgehog:

[Tiberius]

Yes, a known one. You are known on this forum as a conspiracy theorist, mainly because of your numerous conspiracies involving 9/11 and pharmaceuticals.

As for your charge that it isn't a valid term:

Conspiracy Theory - noun.

1. a theory that explains an event as being the result of a plot by a covert group or organization; a belief that a particular unexplained event was caused by such a group.
2. the idea that many important political events or economic and social trends are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public.

A conspiracy theorist is someone who subscribes to one or more of the above concepts.

Osama and Al-qaeda are hardly a covert organisation. They have organised many attacks over the years, and are usually quick to admit to doing so. They are about as covert as a bull in a china shop.

The idea that 9/11 was a secret plot largely unknown by the public holds no intellectual merit, given the abundance of evidence pointing towards al-qaeda organising the attacks, the phone calls from the planes, and the general lack of any evidence that could in any way be linked to a domestic unit, let alone the government or another organisation.

I'm not outsourcing my opinion. Like I said before, you can disagree with the studies if you wish, but they have a good track record of being accurate. Generally speaking, the more studies, and the better the papers, the more accurate the conclusions made in them. I was encouraging free-thinking (thinking harder for yourself). You were rejecting free-thinking for plain and simple speculation. By not consulting experts on the subject at hand, and trying to come up with an opinion based on nothing more than your experiences (or lack thereof), your chances of coming up with any idea that is a plausible reflection of reality are remote.

When at a magic show, feats are performed in front of your very eyes that you swear cannot happen, and with the best magicians, you cannot simply sit down for a few hours (or days) and figure out the trick. These people are masters of deception, slight of hand, distraction, and numerous other methods that are used repeatedly and quickly in succession in order to create the trick. You may have some plausible idea of how the trick is done, but it probably isn't the correct way at all. If it were that easy to work out, we'd have a load more magicians in the world. The same applies for any profession, especially academic ones.

As for your last sentence, I can say the same about you...except I'd remove the first 4 words.

[Dotard]

Oh hi Dotard,

I guess your fun thread about gaming turned into a argument.

And made into an even more fun thread.
Please, ya'll continue on.

[Pippy]

I am sorry to frustrate, but I have to see the world as I do. I am not at all saying that I don't read these peer reviewed journals, but that I refuse to post them here as objective proof because of the 'outsourcing of opinion' factor. I read everything, the tin-foil-hat people, and the NYTimes, and everything in between. Some of you papers are pretty good over there, ours in Canada are by far the most foreign controlled out of any other nation, so they are paltry and facetious. I just don't base my opinion on only one paper, I make up my own mind. I would much rather debate in the spectrum of everyday experiences because I think we are less likely to be fooled or lied to if we take responsibility for our opinions.

I assure you that thinking 9/11 was an inside job does not a conspiracy theorist make, and if it does in your book, you need to look into the crazy deep end. I read and watch a lot of what the crazy people have to say, it is interesting. 9/11 truth is peanuts, and it will most likely get proven right over time.

I want to have a nice conversation with you, but you contempt of me is glaring, and I find it difficult to get a point in edgewise. I said that I didn't want to post objective evidence, I gave my reason why, and you decided that you knew better than I my motivators. You know that I meant I don't read them. Or the hynosis thing, others expressed disbelief, but for the record you were the only one who wholly disagreed with the totality of the concept. Now you are trying to use it as an example of me ignoring facts, because 'everyone' said they didn't get hypnotized. You were the only one who said that.

I am amazed at your ability to debate anything with me, given your obvious impact in the Atheist community and equally obvious intellect. What is it about considering strange ideas, and holding useful but weird truths that offends you so much? Would you like it if I admit that I was tricked by Loose Change, and you were right the whole time, there are no loose ends? The Commission did as good as job as can be expected, the findings are perfect and unquestionable. Anyone who thinks America would kill it's own has a fleeting memory of Waco...? I mean you don't even live here. I am American, although ritgh now in Canada, I was raised in that brainwashing, evil, manipulative and completley controlled environ, and yet you refuse to even take my opinions about America at face value? I should know better than you, but hey you saw the special by Popular Mechanics, so you're now an expert on Americana...

May be it is like everything else, we should agree to disagree and move on... It is just telling that you think I am whats wrong with the world, and even knowing that I try to think highly of you.

Thank you.

[Edwardo Piet]

You don't see the flaw in outsourcing you opinion to the experts?

No I do not. The reason they're experts is that they're 'opinion' is backed up with evidence, so it isn't really a "opinion" - unlike those who aren't experts.

Would I rather trust experts or people who aren't experts? Well experts obviously because by definition they have more expertise on the subject!

Furthermore, personal experience is certainly not the strongest evidence you can have. Certainly not.

EvF

[Meatball]

I've been playing The Secret of Monkey Island remake on Xbox 360 lately. It's neat.

[Edwardo Piet]

I saw that advertised.

I doubt it can beat the classic that is the original version. Of which I've played numerous times with my brother.

EvF

[theVOID]

Grim Fandango > monkey island