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If there was a loving God, would you accept him?
#21
RE: If there was a loving God, would you accept him?
Depends. Which God, and what do you mean by "accept"?
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#22
RE: If there was a loving God, would you accept him?
(April 21, 2014 at 3:58 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I have a question along these lines. Say our knowledge of God was an innate type, would you accept it as credible, or would you only take his existence seriously if he proved his existence in some empirical fashion?

You are sadly innately challenged if you didn't innately know innate knowledge without empirical support is bullshit.

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#23
RE: If there was a loving God, would you accept him?
(April 21, 2014 at 3:58 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I have a question along these lines. Say our knowledge of God was an innate type, would you accept it as credible, or would you only take his existence seriously if he proved his existence in some empirical fashion?

I think this is the question I asked myself when I left Islam. Do I need proof outside innate experience or is innate knowledge a possible proof of his existence? I chose the latter. Then I asked myself to whether I had this knowledge or not.

I think u left islam cause u realized it was bull.. u just need an invisible friend.. theres plenty to choose from..
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#24
RE: If there was a loving God, would you accept him?
(April 21, 2014 at 3:19 pm)ns1452 Wrote: Ladies and Gentleman,

I would like to propose the following question to those who are Atheist:

If there was a loving God, would you accept him? Please explain why or why not.


I realize that this may seem like an overly basic question. But I am trying to better understand the presuppositions (metaphysical dream) that is behind the Atheist belief system. For this to help me improve my understanding of the Atheist belief system, I need everyone to be truthful and forthcoming about the question.

I look forward to hearing everyone's comments.

Thanks,

Nathan

Incidentally, it's not gone unnoticed that the bible god, Yahweh the Bloodyhanded, is being shoehorned into the equation by the use of selective capitalisation and the male pronoun. And please, stop capitalising the word "atheist" so as to imply a doctrine. That goes for everyone doing it, not just present company.
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#25
RE: If there was a loving God, would you accept him?
(April 21, 2014 at 3:58 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I have a question along these lines. Say our knowledge of God was an innate type, would you accept it as credible, or would you only take his existence seriously if he proved his existence in some empirical fashion?

Is this the innate knowledge that's claimed by theists all over the place, where everyone innately feels some different god exists, and some don't feel that knowledge at all?

Doesn't seem like a very innate piece of knowledge to me.
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#26
RE: If there was a loving God, would you accept him?
(April 21, 2014 at 3:19 pm)ns1452 Wrote: Ladies and Gentleman,

I would like to propose the following question to those who are Atheist:

If there was a loving God, would you accept him? Please explain why or why not.

Yes, if I were convinced it existed, I would accept that, and if I were convinced it was loving, I would accept it. I like loving beings.

Your question answered, I will nitpick a little bit. For starters, you don't need to capitalize atheist or theist when they're not at the beginning of a sentence or part of the name of something. They are not proper nouns.

(April 21, 2014 at 3:19 pm)ns1452 Wrote: I realize that this may seem like an overly basic question. But I am trying to better understand the presuppositions (metaphysical dream) that is behind the Atheist belief system.

I would suggest that it wasn't basic enough. You should have asked whether atheism entails enough presuppositions to constitute a belief system. It does not, and neither does mere theism. A system of beliefs requires multiple interlocking beliefs, and these two things are just differing opinions on one topic: the existence of a God or gods. They are not 'isms' like 'communism' or 'republicanism'. They are 'isms' like metabolism or albinism: conditions of being. Theism is the condition of holding that it's the case (or at least likely) that a God or at least one god exists. Atheism is not holding that to be true.

(April 21, 2014 at 3:19 pm)ns1452 Wrote: For this to help me improve my understanding of the Atheist belief system, I need everyone to be truthful and forthcoming about the question.

Look at it this way: If all you knew about a person was that they were a theist, how much would you know about their belief system? Atheists come in a lot of flavors. There are hundreds of millions of people who are atheists because they were raised that way in communist countries. I have as much in common with them because we're both atheists as a Christian would have with a Hindu because they're both theists.

(April 21, 2014 at 3:19 pm)ns1452 Wrote: I look forward to hearing everyone's comments.

Thanks,

Nathan

Welcome, Nathan, I look forward to your comments as well.
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#27
RE: If there was a loving God, would you accept him?
This question again....

I'm tired of answering it, so I will place my answer in its simplest form.

If it was proven beyond a doubt? Yes, I would believe that the being exists.
If it was a loving being, would I acknowledge or worship the being? Maybe, I would have to know more.
If it was a horrible being as depicted by Christianity, would I acknowledge or worship the being? No way.
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#28
RE: If there was a loving God, would you accept him?
(April 21, 2014 at 4:05 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
(April 21, 2014 at 3:58 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I have a question along these lines. Say our knowledge of God was an innate type, would you accept it as credible, or would you only take his existence seriously if he proved his existence in some empirical fashion?

Is this the innate knowledge that's claimed by theists all over the place, where everyone innately feels some different god exists, and some don't feel that knowledge at all?

Doesn't seem like a very innate piece of knowledge to me.

But we differ with respect to morality. Doesn't mean in the core we don't know moral realism is true and moral progression exists?

There are even moral nihilists, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist or it's knowledge is not innate, does it?
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#29
RE: If there was a loving God, would you accept him?
First off, as has been pointed out repeatedly, there is no such thing as an atheist 'belief system.' Atheism only has one tenet: there is no such thing as a god(s).

To your question, if a god (loving, evil, caring, apathetic) could be repeatably demonstrated with the preponderance of evidence, and shown to have no more fitting explanation, then absolutely I would accept its existence.
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#30
RE: If there was a loving God, would you accept him?
Only if that love was unconditional.

If this loving god is supposed to have Yahweh's powers plus an actual capacity for unconditional love, it wouldn't matter whether or not I accepted it, because it would understand why and would love me regardless. Of course, that combination of traits would leave me no reason to question, since it would be providing a perfect world with no evil or flaws or wants.
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