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RE: Faith healing scumbags
April 22, 2014 at 9:42 pm
(April 22, 2014 at 9:20 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: These people are despicable. On a serious note, though---What is the answer here? Realistically?
It's fine to say they shouldn't be allowed to have kids. But that really can't happen. Most of the time, you don't know about it until a kid gets seriously sick or dies.
The religious right will use the slippery slope argument if you make these people register or not allow them to make their kids into faith healers until a certain age.
What would you suggest?
I'd suggest that a first step is to start consistently treating such cases aa homicides and acting accordingly.
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RE: Faith healing scumbags
April 22, 2014 at 9:47 pm
(April 22, 2014 at 9:35 pm)Chad32 Wrote: The only thing you can really do is try to monitor the children. If they're sick a lot, and the family isn't really poor, something is suspicious. If they are too poor for medical attention, then you help them. If they aren't, you call child services or something.
Right, but who does the monitoring?
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RE: Faith healing scumbags
April 22, 2014 at 10:24 pm
(April 22, 2014 at 9:42 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (April 22, 2014 at 9:20 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: These people are despicable. On a serious note, though---What is the answer here? Realistically?
It's fine to say they shouldn't be allowed to have kids. But that really can't happen. Most of the time, you don't know about it until a kid gets seriously sick or dies.
The religious right will use the slippery slope argument if you make these people register or not allow them to make their kids into faith healers until a certain age.
What would you suggest?
I'd suggest that a first step is to start consistently treating such cases aa homicides and acting accordingly.
This. A few faith healers get life in prison without parole and I'd be willing to bet that shit would stop pretty damn quickly.
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RE: Faith healing scumbags
April 22, 2014 at 10:26 pm
(April 22, 2014 at 9:47 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: (April 22, 2014 at 9:35 pm)Chad32 Wrote: The only thing you can really do is try to monitor the children. If they're sick a lot, and the family isn't really poor, something is suspicious. If they are too poor for medical attention, then you help them. If they aren't, you call child services or something.
Right, but who does the monitoring?
Everyone who has contact with children. if you're a teacher in a school, and one of your students take a lot of sick days, or doesn't look well when in class, or you have a child who is friends with someone who looks sickly, or anything else. If you have regular contact with someone who seems sick all the time, look into it.
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RE: Faith healing scumbags
April 22, 2014 at 10:35 pm
I completely agree, they should be treated like homicides. Do you think that would stop people? I would hope so, but I'm not entirely sure it would.
This pisses me off so much. That couple in Philly got 3 1/2 years after their second child died of bacterial pneumonia and dehydration. He needed a round of antibiotics and a damned IV bag. He could still be alive. They called over the pastor to "pray over him." Maybe the pastors, if it can be proven they knew about it or were involved somehow, should be held accountable to?
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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RE: Faith healing scumbags
April 22, 2014 at 10:49 pm
(April 22, 2014 at 10:35 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: I completely agree, they should be treated like homicides. Do you think that would stop people? I would hope so, but I'm not entirely sure it would.
I'm not convinced you can stop people from doing horrific things, even with a level of state surveillance that I personally would object to.
Doing so should ensure that those involved will be in prison and away from children, though.
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RE: Faith healing scumbags
April 22, 2014 at 11:58 pm
(April 22, 2014 at 9:35 pm)Chad32 Wrote: The only thing you can really do is try to monitor the children. If they're sick a lot, and the family isn't really poor, something is suspicious. If they are too poor for medical attention, then you help them. If they aren't, you call child services or something.
Are children wards of society? What makes society's judgment more correct than the parents? 
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RE: Faith healing scumbags
April 23, 2014 at 12:07 am
It takes a village to raise a child, doesn't it? Being the parent of a child does not endow you with any special wisdom in raising that child. One responsible adult is as good as any.
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RE: Faith healing scumbags
April 23, 2014 at 12:07 am
(April 22, 2014 at 10:24 pm)Aral Gamelon Wrote: (April 22, 2014 at 9:42 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I'd suggest that a first step is to start consistently treating such cases aa homicides and acting accordingly.
This. A few faith healers get life in prison without parole and I'd be willing to bet that shit would stop pretty damn quickly.
Everybody knows that demons take possession of people who lack faith and make them sick. Jesus cured a lot of people by ridding them of demons. He even cured blindness with some mud mixed with his magical spit.
Maybe those faith healers need to follow the instructions given in James 5:13-16 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...A;CJB;NKJV. They're probably too cheap to buy the right oil.
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RE: Faith healing scumbags
April 23, 2014 at 3:56 am
The parents are monsters, but the judge..! What the fuck?! 
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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