What Do I need Saved From?

[Tonus]

2) Why would God create a Hell for us to be Saved From?

He's a sadist.

[Chad32]

I've been told that if there was actually a more pleasant alternative to heaven, no one would want to be in heaven.

[zebo-the-fat]

Hi Folks,

When I was a Christian I used to try and 'Save' people but now Its got me thinking, Who was I saving people from?

The same God who supposedly loved his people so much he sent his son to die for them - Because if that's the case then that makes no sense what so ever.

So God is willing to have his son die for people but because the Clergy have fucked up his true word beyond belief he would punish people for thinking its a bunch of bull shit?

Is that really true of God?

Makes no sense... his son "died" then got better after 3 days, so it doesn't count!

[Chad32]

He supposedly took on the burden of sin, but since sin is an abstract thing I'm not sure how that works. Unless he's got major PTSD now or something, though it would be hard to rule the cosmos if you just got slammed with all the soul crushing evils of the world.

I don't know. Nothing about it makes sense. That's why I know I can't be a christian, because I can't accept the Jesus story. Even the basic idea that an innocent paying for the crimes of the guilty was the prefered method. He had to be totally guiltless to be worthy. That's some grievous injustice.

[ThomM]

Hi Folks,

When I was a Christian I used to try and 'Save' people but now Its got me thinking, Who was I saving people from?

The same God who supposedly loved his people so much he sent his son to die for them - Because if that's the case then that makes no sense what so ever.

So God is willing to have his son die for people but because the Clergy have fucked up his true word beyond belief he would punish people for thinking its a bunch of bull shit?

Is that really true of God?

Obviously - there is a need to be saved - FROM RELIGIONS.

However - 1600 years ago - the average person could not read the bible - because they could not read at all. Religion was basically the way the elite controlled the masses of people. And that they made up stories is proven by the ones in the bible - and others. Clergy could simply bypass or explain away passages that make no sense. And today -the clergy pretty much washes its hands of the Old Testament and its brutality.


When EDUCATION became available to the masses - indoctrination became much harder because education teaches people to question statements. And to question the "answers" too. So - for example - the need to be "saved" by a messiah - which was to be a political event for the Jews of the Old Testament - turned into "original sin of Eve" for which ALL humans are responsible - Unless of course you are smart enough to understand that the Genesis Story of Adam and EVE - is a fairy tale (Kindergarten level is probably enough). So then - if a "god" came to earth - wouldn't it know that story to be a fake? Explain 1 Timothy 2 in that regard. (Women are second rate because it was eve that sinned)

So - if YOU want answers about a god - don't ask religion - since they have no more provable knowledge about one than they have about growing weed.

[Bronwynn]

God is not punishing anyone. That would be the god of this world. Remember what Jesus said about this world; I am not of this world, neither are you of this world. And when he was upon the cross, the rulers and authorities in their ignorance did not know all He was accomplishing. At His death He broke all their bonds and that is why the temple was split from the bottom to the top, so that those who could not cross over before, would now be able. Jesus did not come to call the righteous, but the sinners to repentance.
He warned that many false prophets would come in the world, and many there are. Sadly people do not seek the truth, but allow themselves to be guided by blind ships that have no course. And many are afflicted and in pain and think that if they go to church every week and pay their penance, they are saved. And they run to and fro looking for the Kingdom of God in this place and that place and they simply cannot find it! Because IT IS NOT IN THE WORLD. It is right where Jesus told them to look for it. Within.
No one is saved because a pastor wrote the date down in a bible and handed it to you. That is ego. Being saved means that you have poured out your entire heart, mind and soul to God because you are ashamed of who you are, and you simply cannot bear to be alone in this world anymore without Him. Half repentance will get you nowhere but feeling good about yourself for a few days. Whole repentance will change your entire life, and fill you with something you never had before. Peace and Hope.
What are you saved from, you asked?
I always imagined that being separated from God was like dwelling at the bottom of the ocean; where man cannot go because the pressure is too low, and strange, creeping things move around in the dark where its cold and silent. That's not somewhere I want to be. If God is giving you a gift, why refuse to take it? do you want to be reborn back into this world over and over again, to feel pain and suffering, or worse, end up at the bottom of the ocean with no hope?
You think God is far away from you? He is right there inside you. just waiting for you to give Him a chance. He is the one who truly loves you, why do you think He sent His son down to this wretched place to be beaten, laughed and spit upon and killed. He didn't deserve that, I did. And you did and everyone else who reads this, because we were born into this world unclean. And that is not our fault. that is the fault of the rulers. And He knows that. That is why He gave himself over to a perfect death, so we could follow and live with Him forever. You are heir to the kingdom of God. Find it. Know who you are.

[Chad32]

He asks too much for his "gift". I'd much rather be reborn into this world indefinitely than go to heaven. It sounds much more appealing.

[Zen Badger]

God is not punishing anyone. That would be the god of this world. Remember what Jesus said about this world; I am not of this world, neither are you of this world. And when he was upon the cross, the rulers and authorities in their ignorance did not know all He was accomplishing. At His death He broke all their bonds and that is why the temple was split from the bottom to the top, so that those who could not cross over before, would now be able. Jesus did not come to call the righteous, but the sinners to repentance.
He warned that many false prophets would come in the world, and many there are. Sadly people do not seek the truth, but allow themselves to be guided by blind ships that have no course. And many are afflicted and in pain and think that if they go to church every week and pay their penance, they are saved. And they run to and fro looking for the Kingdom of God in this place and that place and they simply cannot find it! Because IT IS NOT IN THE WORLD. It is right where Jesus told them to look for it. Within.
No one is saved because a pastor wrote the date down in a bible and handed it to you. That is ego. Being saved means that you have poured out your entire heart, mind and soul to God because you are ashamed of who you are, and you simply cannot bear to be alone in this world anymore without Him. Half repentance will get you nowhere but feeling good about yourself for a few days. Whole repentance will change your entire life, and fill you with something you never had before. Peace and Hope.
What are you saved from, you asked?
I always imagined that being separated from God was like dwelling at the bottom of the ocean; where man cannot go because the pressure is too low, and strange, creeping things move around in the dark where its cold and silent. That's not somewhere I want to be. If God is giving you a gift, why refuse to take it? do you want to be reborn back into this world over and over again, to feel pain and suffering, or worse, end up at the bottom of the ocean with no hope?
You think God is far away from you? He is right there inside you. just waiting for you to give Him a chance. He is the one who truly loves you, why do you think He sent His son down to this wretched place to be beaten, laughed and spit upon and killed. He didn't deserve that, I did. And you did and everyone else who reads this, because we were born into this world unclean. And that is not our fault. that is the fault of the rulers. And He knows that. That is why He gave himself over to a perfect death, so we could follow and live with Him forever. You are heir to the kingdom of God. Find it. Know who you are.

All those words and no actual content.

"Sigh" some one's left the cat flap open again.

[Chad32]

Yeah, that's why I just responded to a couple of things. The rest just seems like padding. Jesus is inside you, and heaven isn't in this world, even though some writers seemed to think it was back when they didn't have planes and telescopes and such.

[truthBtold]

God is not punishing anyone. That would be the god of this world. Remember what Jesus said about this world; I am not of this world, neither are you of this world. And when he was upon the cross, the rulers and authorities in their ignorance did not know all He was accomplishing. At His death He broke all their bonds and that is why the temple was split from the bottom to the top, so that those who could not cross over before, would now be able. Jesus did not come to call the righteous, but the sinners to repentance.
He warned that many false prophets would come in the world, and many there are. Sadly people do not seek the truth, but allow themselves to be guided by blind ships that have no course. And many are afflicted and in pain and think that if they go to church every week and pay their penance, they are saved. And they run to and fro looking for the Kingdom of God in this place and that place and they simply cannot find it! Because IT IS NOT IN THE WORLD. It is right where Jesus told them to look for it. Within.
No one is saved because a pastor wrote the date down in a bible and handed it to you. That is ego. Being saved means that you have poured out your entire heart, mind and soul to God because you are ashamed of who you are, and you simply cannot bear to be alone in this world anymore without Him. Half repentance will get you nowhere but feeling good about yourself for a few days. Whole repentance will change your entire life, and fill you with something you never had before. Peace and Hope.
What are you saved from, you asked?
I always imagined that being separated from God was like dwelling at the bottom of the ocean; where man cannot go because the pressure is too low, and strange, creeping things move around in the dark where its cold and silent. That's not somewhere I want to be. If God is giving you a gift, why refuse to take it? do you want to be reborn back into this world over and over again, to feel pain and suffering, or worse, end up at the bottom of the ocean with no hope?
You think God is far away from you? He is right there inside you. just waiting for you to give Him a chance. He is the one who truly loves you, why do you think He sent His son down to this wretched place to be beaten, laughed and spit upon and killed. He didn't deserve that, I did. And you did and everyone else who reads this, because we were born into this world unclean. And that is not our fault. that is the fault of the rulers. And He knows that. That is why He gave himself over to a perfect death, so we could follow and live with Him forever. You are heir to the kingdom of God. Find it. Know who you are.

R U SOFT ? WHY THE HELL DO I CARE WHAT THE FUCK UR PERSONAL BULLSHIT IS WITH THAT FUCKED UP FAIRY TALE.. DO COME HERE PREACHING.. GROW UP..