Pro-life atheists

[Losty]

Lol what? So you're saying that if a woman has to choose to abort or die (rare but definitely real) she should have to die because you don't believe that ever happens?

It is possible to keep people from harming themselves. If your existence causes Beccs to want to commit suicide does that give her a right to kill you? Negative. Your right stands and Beccs can be treated for her psychological problems.

What are you talking about???

[Ryantology]

Now on the individual level, there is nothing wrong with this. We value our spouses and children more than we value the spouses and children of our neighbors. However, as a social policy it sucks. It is the policy that led to the genocide of the Jews and Native Americans and countless others.

Abortion has its foundation in this same policy.

No, it doesn't, because abortion is not a social policy, or rather, it's not supposed to be. It is a social policy only because certain people think it's their business what happens in a stranger's womb. It is, or should be, a personal policy.

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This is not a good argument. It is an attempt to appeal to peoples emotions. It is rubbish.

The whole anti-choice argument is an appeal to emotion.

[Heywood]

Now on the individual level, there is nothing wrong with this. We value our spouses and children more than we value the spouses and children of our neighbors. However, as a social policy it sucks. It is the policy that led to the genocide of the Jews and Native Americans and countless others.

Abortion has its foundation in this same policy.

No, it doesn't, because abortion is not a social policy, or rather, it's not supposed to be. It is a social policy only because certain people think it's their business what happens in a stranger's womb. It is, or should be, a personal policy.

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This is not a good argument. It is an attempt to appeal to peoples emotions. It is rubbish.

The whole anti-choice argument is an appeal to emotion.

I don't mind you calling it "anti choice". That succinctly describes prolifers because our position really is "lets not give human beings the ability to choose to kill other human beings for the sake of convience".

[Ryantology]

I don't mind you calling it "anti choice". That succinctly describes prolifers because our position really is "lets not give human beings the ability to choose to kill other human beings for the sake of convience".

"Forced birthers" is more accurate, because your position is "I have the right to force a woman to do something she doesn't want to do", and forcing them to give birth is just one of several ways you can do it.

[Losty]

It is possible to keep people from harming themselves. If your existence causes Beccs to want to commit suicide does that give her a right to kill you? Negative. Your right stands and Beccs can be treated for her psychological problems.

What are you talking about???

I would really like to know the answer to this. Are we having the same conversation?

[Zidneya]

And parenthood is a lifetime job genius not a 18 year old one.

You seem to have completely missed the point. Where in my post did I state or imply anything about parenthood?

Emmm here

you are preventing the conception of a human being who might live for 80+ years because you don't want to be inconvenienced for 18 years.

Pretty simple. There are other activities which can be quite satisfying too that fall short of intercourse.

Mmm what do you have in mind?

If a couple isn't using bc, of any form, they shouldn't be shocked at the potential consequences of having sex.

I have like a dozen of female high school classmates who think differently.

I'm for keeping abortion safe and legal but I'm for educating women and men on the precautions to preventing unwanted pregnancies in the first place.

They did educate them. The only problem is that they were so inhibited of getting birth control pills that they rely all the responsibility of birth control in the guys and…..it didn't turn out very well.
Ahhh I hate inhibited women

[Esquilax]

I don't mind you calling it "anti choice". That succinctly describes prolifers because our position really is "lets not give human beings the ability to choose to kill other human beings for the sake of convience".

And you're reducing the attributes of "human being" to just "genetics."

So, my fingernail is a human being?

Or are we going to recognize that there's more that goes into what makes a human being than just genetics?

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I don't mind you calling it "anti choice". That succinctly describes prolifers because our position really is "lets not give human beings the ability to choose to kill other human beings for the sake of convience".

And you're reducing the attributes of "human being" to just "genetics."

So, my fingernail is a human being?

Or are we going to recognize that there's more that goes into what makes a human being than just genetics?

Also, the 'just for convenience' part really grinds my gears.

Heywood, there's nothing 'convenient' about an abortion. It's not like giving some blood or having a paracetamol for a cold.

It's a decision that is not taken lightly and can have medical, surgical and psychological ramifications that stay with the woman for the rest of her life.

I'll chalk the wording used to another slight of hand to add weight to a faulty argument.

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It is possible to keep people from harming themselves. If your existence causes Beccs to want to commit suicide does that give her a right to kill you? Negative. Your right stands and Beccs can be treated for her psychological problems.

What are you talking about???

He didn't answer your question.

[Esquilax]

Also, the 'just for convenience' part really grinds my gears.

Heywood, there's nothing 'convenient' about an abortion. It's not like giving some blood or having a paracetamol for a cold.

It's a decision that is not taken lightly and can have medical, surgical and psychological ramifications that stay with the woman for the rest of her life.

I'll chalk the wording used to another slight of hand to add weight to a faulty argument.

Wouldn't be a Heywood argument without a grossly oversimplified strawman, would it?

[Losty]

What are you talking about???

He didn't answer your question.

Yes I know. That's not the first time. Even in this thread. I'm asking a genuine question about his thoughts on abortions for mothers who would otherwise die and he comes back first with, oh I don't believe in it. Then I ask if women should be forced to die rather than abort just because he doesn't believe that happens? And his answer is some bullshit about Beccs committing suicide because she doesn't like me??? Wtaf?

The first time he ignored a question I asked, what his criteria is for being a human being.
Heywood is the almighty picker and chooser of what is and is not a human being, but he refuses to state what his criteria for being human being is.