Pro-life atheists

[Heywood]

A skin cell is not a contiguous living system. It is a component of a contiguous living system.

There are single cell organisms, you know.

Yes, they are complete living systems.

[Losty]

There are single cell organisms, you know.

Yes, they are complete living systems.

And they can survive on their own. :o

[Heywood]

A skin cell is not a contiguous living system. It is a component of a contiguous living system.

As is a fetus until it's born. Afterwards, it certainly becomes one. I will grant that it technically becomes one at viability.

An embryo created in a petri dish, is that not a contiguous living system?

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Yes, they are complete living systems.

And they can survive on their own. :o

The ability "to survive on its own" is not in the definition of an organism. You cannot survive on your own. If all the beneficial bacteria in your gut were eradicated, you would die. Therefore you are not a human being because you cannot survive, "on your own".....right?

[Losty]

As is a fetus until it's born. Afterwards, it certainly becomes one. I will grant that it technically becomes one at viability.

An embryo created in a petri dish, is that not a contiguous living system?

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And they can survive on their own. :o

The ability "to survive on its own" is not in the definition of an organism. You cannot survive on your own. If all the beneficial bacteria in your gut were eradicated, you would die. Therefore you are not a human being because you cannot survive, "on your own".....right?

What are the characteristics of an organism Heywood?
Homeostasis maybe one of them...maybe.

[Chas]

Heywood that is the most asinine thing I have heard you say in a while. Someone can say Native Americans aren't people, but that would be a lie. I say a fetus isn't a person because that is a fucking fact. Put your brain on straight your idiocy is spilling out again.

I'm sure the people who thought it was okay to slaughter Native Americans felt anyone who told them it was immoral because they are persons was also liar.

Calling someone a liar and yourself a truth bearer is not a good argument.

If you want to know what a human being is.....it is being or organism of the same species as you and I. Since you like to google....google "organism".

Good, because a fetus isn't an organism.

Merriam-Webster
or·gan·ism
noun \ˈȯr-gə-ˌni-zəm\
: an individual living thing

Biology Online
Organism
noun, plural: organisms

(Science: Biology)
An individual living thing that can react to stimuli, reproduce, grow, and maintain homeostasis. It can be a virus, bacterium, protist, fungus, plant or an animal.

Medical Dictionary
organism or·gan·ism (ôr'gə-nĭz'əm)
n.
An individual form of life, such as a plant, an animal, a bacterium,
a protist, or a fungus; a body made up of organs, organelles, or other
parts that work together to carry on the various processes of life.

[Heywood]

An embryo created in a petri dish, is that not a contiguous living system?

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The ability "to survive on its own" is not in the definition of an organism. You cannot survive on your own. If all the beneficial bacteria in your gut were eradicated, you would die. Therefore you are not a human being because you cannot survive, "on your own".....right?

What are the characteristics of an organism Heywood?
Homeostasis maybe one of them...maybe.

Embryos engage in cellular homeostasis.

[Losty]

What are the characteristics of an organism Heywood?
Homeostasis maybe one of them...maybe.

Embryos engage in cellular homeostasis.

Really all by themselves? So if you just leave that embryo in its Petri dish it will continue to engage in homeostasis? No. It will die.

[Heywood]

I'm sure the people who thought it was okay to slaughter Native Americans felt anyone who told them it was immoral because they are persons was also liar.

Calling someone a liar and yourself a truth bearer is not a good argument.

If you want to know what a human being is.....it is being or organism of the same species as you and I. Since you like to google....google "organism".

Good, because a fetus isn't an organism.

Merriam-Webster
or·gan·ism
noun \ˈȯr-gə-ˌni-zəm\
: an individual living thing

Biology Online
Organism
noun, plural: organisms

(Science: Biology)
An individual living thing that can react to stimuli, reproduce, grow, and maintain homeostasis. It can be a virus, bacterium, protist, fungus, plant or an animal.

Medical Dictionary
organism or·gan·ism (ôr'gə-nĭz'əm)
n.
An individual form of life, such as a plant, an animal, a bacterium,
a protist, or a fungus; a body made up of organs, organelles, or other
parts that work together to carry on the various processes of life.

Embryos have a cellular body that contains organelles that work together to carry on the various processes of life.

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Embryos engage in cellular homeostasis.

Really all by themselves? So if you just leave that embryo in its Petri dish it will continue to engage in homeostasis? No. It will die.

Well you will die too if the beneficial bacteria are removed from your gut. You are not viable as an individual.

But really...embryos do engage in cellular homeostasis. Embryos meet the text book definitions of organisms.

[The Valkyrie]

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As is a fetus until it's born. Afterwards, it certainly becomes one. I will grant that it technically becomes one at viability.

An embryo created in a petri dish, is that not a contiguous living system?

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But will it survive on its own?

No.

[Losty]

Good, because a fetus isn't an organism.

Merriam-Webster
or·gan·ism
noun \ˈȯr-gə-ˌni-zəm\
: an individual living thing

Biology Online
Organism
noun, plural: organisms

(Science: Biology)
An individual living thing that can react to stimuli, reproduce, grow, and maintain homeostasis. It can be a virus, bacterium, protist, fungus, plant or an animal.

Medical Dictionary
organism or·gan·ism (ôr'gə-nĭz'əm)
n.
An individual form of life, such as a plant, an animal, a bacterium,
a protist, or a fungus; a body made up of organs, organelles, or other
parts that work together to carry on the various processes of life.

Embryos have a cellular body that contains organelles that work together to carry on the various processes of life.

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Really all by themselves? So if you just leave that embryo in its Petri dish it will continue to engage in homeostasis? No. It will die.

Well you will die too if the beneficial bacteria are removed from your gut. You are not viable as an individual.

But really...embryos do engage in cellular homeostasis. Embryos meet the text book definitions of organisms.

I'm not talking about removing anything from myself or a fetus' body. No amount of love, breast milk and diaper changing will keep a fetus alive if it is not hooked up to an independent life form (a human being). It cannot engage in homeostasis on its own.
A fetus is a non-sentient living being with human DNA. It cannot think or feel, and it is not aware of its own existence.