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RE: Theistic morality
May 22, 2014 at 8:55 am
(May 22, 2014 at 8:05 am)alpha male Wrote: If I only adopted what's convenient, I'd accept evolution and gays in church.
Oh so you accept all of the bible without ignoring any of it? Ok then, I have a few questions for you
Why don't you stone homosexuals to death? Sure its against the law but only gods law counts right?
Why don't you burn witches! its not legal here but go over to some African countries and you will have a hulluva time!
Why don't you kill people who work on the Sabbath?
Why don't you stone unruly children to death?
Why don't you kill people who wear clothes made of two different materials?
Why don't you own slaves?
The obvious escape route for theists here is: It's against the law.
But surely the laws made by man are flawed when compared with the laws set down by an all powerful, all knowing god? Do you know better than god? Well, you must think you do if you choose to ignore his commandments.
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RE: Theistic morality
May 22, 2014 at 9:27 am
(May 22, 2014 at 8:55 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: Oh so you accept all of the bible without ignoring any of it? Yes. When it says that certain rules are for Israel, I accept that as a Gentile I'm not bound by them.
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RE: Theistic morality
May 22, 2014 at 9:33 am
Bullshit troll
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RE: Theistic morality
May 22, 2014 at 9:45 am
(May 22, 2014 at 9:33 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: Bullshit troll Not at all. Your position - that the entire law applies to every person, regardless of what the law actually says about application - is ridiculous. It's like saying that no one should drink alcohol because children are not allowed to drink, and that adults who do drink are adopting only the parts of the law which are convenient or desirable to them.
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RE: Theistic morality
May 22, 2014 at 10:07 am
(This post was last modified: May 22, 2014 at 10:07 am by Bad Wolf.)
Bullshit! Children and adults are very different, alcohol does demonstrable harm to developing children. You are saying the only reason you don't follow the rules imposed by your god, is because you live a few thousand miles away. Absolute bullshit.
And where exactly in the bible does it say that all the 600 odd commandments are only applied to Israel?
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RE: Theistic morality
May 22, 2014 at 10:13 am
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(May 22, 2014 at 9:27 am)alpha male Wrote: Yes. When it says that certain rules are for Israel, I accept that as a Gentile I'm not bound by them.
Does it really say that? And which particular laws? Verse(s), please?
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RE: Theistic morality
May 22, 2014 at 10:14 am
(May 22, 2014 at 9:27 am)alpha male Wrote: (May 22, 2014 at 8:55 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: Oh so you accept all of the bible without ignoring any of it? Yes. When it says that certain rules are for Israel, I accept that as a Gentile I'm not bound by them.
So I take it that if you were Israeli, you'd be a slave owning, witch burning, gay stoning guy? You've got no objections to those things beyond that they're special rules for Jesus' special club? 
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RE: Theistic morality
May 22, 2014 at 12:08 pm
The law was given specifically to the children of Israel, with the stated intent of making them a special people set apart from other people:
Exodus 19
3 And Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain, saying, “Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel: 4 ‘You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles’ wings and brought you to Myself. 5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. 6 And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.”
If you'd like a NT reference, consider that there was a council on this very issue, recorded in Acts (you guys might want to actually read the bible if you're gonna comment on it):
Acts 15
3 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law” —to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
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Theistic morality
May 22, 2014 at 12:27 pm
(May 22, 2014 at 8:05 am)alpha male Wrote: (May 21, 2014 at 5:05 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: Because he is not a Christian, first and foremost. He follows the religion of John V the alpha male, which adopts only the parts of Christianity which are convenient or desirable to the sole believer. If I only adopted what's convenient, I'd accept evolution and gays in church.
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RE: Theistic morality
May 22, 2014 at 12:33 pm
At no point does it say anywhere: 'these rules are only there for Israel'
It merely says, tell these rules to Israel.
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