Is Eve in Hell right now?

[Cyberman]

Out of curiosity, of what truth - spiritual or otherwise - is hell an allegory?

[Artur Axmann]

No, As a matter of fact He didn't reveal this by ring or hook or prayer. you sound bitter.

Believers get things wrong . Don't you?

Genesis was never meant as a scientific belief. But at a time when science did not exist ,..until about 200 years ago.

well that was all anyone had to go by..We know better now ..

Do we deserve a liitle understanding ?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The King of Tyre and the Garden of Eden were separated by a few thousand years, making it impossible for him to be in the Garden, which by the way was taken from here long before Tyre existed.

Since you thoroughly fucked yourself on the 'serpent' issue, I'll restrict myself to this one:

Ezekiel 28:12 'Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says:


‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.

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You were in Eden,
the garden of God;

Seems fairly straightforward that the King of Tyre WAS on the garden of Eden. I suspect you're left now with two choices: either the Bible is wrong or you are. Which way will you have it?

Boru

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No, As a matter of fact He didn't reveal this by ring or hook or prayer. you sound bitter.

Believers get things wrong . Don't you?

Genesis was never meant as a scientific belief. But at a time when science did not exist ,..until about 200 years ago.

well that was all anyone had to go by..We know better now ..

Do we deserve a liitle understanding ?

The issue is with those who insist that Genesis IS a textbook, and that the Bible is one literal truth after another.

Boru

[Godscreated]

The King of Tyre and the Garden of Eden were separated by a few thousand years, making it impossible for him to be in the Garden, which by the way was taken from here long before Tyre existed.

Since you thoroughly fucked yourself on the 'serpent' issue, I'll restrict myself to this one:

Ezekiel 28:12 'Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says:


‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.

13
You were in Eden,
the garden of God;

Seems fairly straightforward that the King of Tyre WAS on the garden of Eden. I suspect you're left now with two choices: either the Bible is wrong or you are. Which way will you have it?

Boru

You have no answers for the serpent issue do you and so just skated around it, as you usually do.
Now answer this, how was a human being able to be in the Garden of Eden that existed thousands of years before and had not been seen nor mentioned being seen in thousands of years? Atheist brag on their ability to reason out things, reason this one, if you can.

GC

[Wyrd of Gawd]

The term "Garden of Eden" was the popular term used to describe the Assyrian/Babylonian Empire. In fact, Eden was a town in what's today Iraq.

The first thing people should get through their thick skulls is that the Bible is simply a collection of ethnocentric Jewish religious fairy tales that's been spun to give them special status. There's no invisible (or visible) celestial supernatural God character who has a band of winged angels. The stories are comparable to the other ancient ethnocentric myths from Egypt, Greece, Rome, India, Persia, and elsewhere. If you don't believe in those deities why do you believe in the Bible's? They are all nonsense!

[Godscreated]

Simple answer to this, who says God cursed more than the serpent that tempted Eve, God created Lucifer. I do not believe that snakes eat the dust of the ground anymore than a legless lizard. The curse was on one legged creature, no more and no less.

GC

So you're saying that the serpent in Eden was actually Lucifer and real snakes in Eden were already without legs? Does that mean Lucifer/Satan has slithered around like a snake ever since he was cursed? If so, why mention snakes in the Genesis account? After all, it would have made more sense to say that Eve was deceived by a fallen angel.

Confused.

I'll try to clear things up, first of all I do not know if snakes were in the Garden or not. The Genesis account mentions serpent, not snake and no plural was ever given to the serpent. Now the word nachash was used to describe the serpent not because of the physical appearance, but because of the sound (hissing sound or a whisper) which also refers to an enchanter. The scriptures point to the serpent being an enchanter. As far as the punishment of crawling around, it may represent a punishment on Lucifer that reduced him to the lowest of stature. Remember Lucifer was the greatest of the created angels and to reduce him to the lowest of lows would be befitting, God may have been showing him exactly the power that He has. Throughout the rest of scriptures we see that Lucifer has no more power than God allows him, God has placed man above him, that must have outraged him.

GC

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The term "Garden of Eden" was the popular term used to describe the Assyrian/Babylonian Empire. In fact, Eden was a town in what's today Iraq.

The first thing people should get through their thick skulls is that the Bible is simply a collection of ethnocentric Jewish religious fairy tales that's been spun to give them special status. There's no invisible (or visible) celestial supernatural God character who has a band of winged angels. The stories are comparable to the other ancient ethnocentric myths from Egypt, Greece, Rome, India, Persia, and elsewhere. If you don't believe in those deities why do you believe in the Bible's? They are all nonsense!

Because the Garden of Eden existed long before any of those countries.

GC

[Wyrd of Gawd]

The Assyrian/Babylonian Empires existed before the Roman Empire but they existed contemporaneously with the Egyptians and Greeks. It was the Persians that put an end to the Babylonian Empire and that's when the Old Testament God character bit the dust. He hasn't been heard from since.

[Godscreated]

The Assyrian/Babylonian Empires existed before the Roman Empire but they existed contemporaneously with the Egyptians and Greeks. It was the Persians that put an end to the Babylonian Empire and that's when the Old Testament God character bit the dust. He hasn't been heard from since.

Just because you're deaf, blind and stupid doesn't mean everyone else is. I would have said dumb, but you can run your mouth with the best of them.

GC

[Mudhammam]

The Assyrian/Babylonian Empires existed before the Roman Empire but they existed contemporaneously with the Egyptians and Greeks. It was the Persians that put an end to the Babylonian Empire and that's when the Old Testament God character bit the dust. He hasn't been heard from since.

Just because you're deaf, blind and stupid doesn't mean everyone else is. I would have said dumb, but you can run your mouth with the best of them.

GC

This is coming from a guy who believes an "evil spirit" named Satan poses as the world's biggest threat.

[Bob Kelso]

The Assyrian/Babylonian Empires existed before the Roman Empire but they existed contemporaneously with the Egyptians and Greeks. It was the Persians that put an end to the Babylonian Empire and that's when the Old Testament God character bit the dust. He hasn't been heard from since.

Just because you're deaf, blind and stupid doesn't mean everyone else is. I would have said dumb, but you can run your mouth with the best of them.

GC

Let's give GC a round of applause folks, he does better work against theism (Christianity in particular) than any anti-theist I know.

Good show, old chap. Jolly good.