Why Jesus is not the messiah.

[Artur Axmann]

My friend, it's called freedom of speech and freedom to practice your beliefs.

And I have the freedom to tell them to take their fucking god off my property, too.

There are trespassing laws everwhere you go..

you're not the brave exception.

There're more serious problems in america to think about ..

THINK about ...try it.

[Cyberman]

Just because there are more serious problems doesn't negate what might be considered the lesser problems.

[vorlon13]

Those advocating specific religious edicts, strictures, commandments, etc. be hammered into laws that apply to everybody, then they need to be consistent in their advocacy to be taken seriously by me.

If a bunch of fundies wants govt $ for a 'pray the gay away program' but doesn't want to see government porcine disease research zeroed out, or maybe USDA shrimp price supports during gulf oil spills similarly deleted, I will wonder why they are ignoring their own 'all scripture is suitable' rule. If they know better than the god of their sacred writings, those writings aren't all that sacred to them, and even less so to the rest of us.

[Artur Axmann]

Those advocating specific religious edicts, strictures, commandments, etc. be hammered into laws that apply to everybody, then they need to be consistent in their advocacy to be taken seriously by me.

If a bunch of fundies wants govt $ for a 'pray the gay away program' but doesn't want to see government porcine disease research zeroed out, or maybe USDA shrimp price supports during gulf oil spills similarly deleted, I will wonder why they are ignoring their own 'all scripture is suitable' rule. If they know better than the god of their sacred writings, those writings aren't all that sacred to them, and even less so to the rest of us.

I know you were saying something important,but I couldn't follow it , my bad.

Would you be willing to be specific about what you're saying? And rewrite it? thank you..

[vorlon13]

I'm railing against christian cafeteria-ism again.

[Creed of Heresy]

My friend, it's called freedom of speech and freedom to practice your beliefs.

And I have the freedom to tell them to take their fucking god off my property, too.

And I have the freedom to go up to every Christian, Muslim, and Jew I see and tell them they're a bunch of solipsistic tools with delusions of grandeur and importance who would regret wasting their lives on fantasies and fairy tales and the adult equivalents of Santy Claws when they're dead if they (in contradiction with the point here, but bear with me) somehow maintained awareness after death.

But I don't.

It's called not being an arrogant, condescending, disrespectful prick, but what would Christians know about that? They sure have never demonstrated an ability to refrain from being a collective of exactly that, have they? What with, you know, the constant wars of faith, the millenium + centuries-long spewing of/forcing their beliefs [on] everywhere/one they can regardless of peoples' existing beliefs or lack thereof, their arrogance that they alone know the truth about the possibility of an afterlife and just what is needed to get the good version of it despite the same thing being said of a thousand, thousand other systems that say the exact same thing with exactly as much evidence as they've got, the church of True Christians™ (as all Christians are, except for the ones that aren't) torturing people for made up crimes of witchcraft, sorcery, possession, unbelief, adultery, heresy, and apostasy, conducting the Inquisition which for many years committed invasions of privacy that the NSA wishes it could perpetuate and human rights abuses that would make Hitler proud, trying to call their creationist bullshit "science" when it has about as much to do with science as a garbage disposal has to do with herding cattle and yet still trying to force everyone in the US to learn of it regardless of their own beliefs or lack thereof...

Amusing, thinking about it, how you run to excuse the majority of your religions' modern actions in the US by citing the freedoms granted through the SECULAR constitution of the US when throughout history you have never allowed anyone else that kind of thing...

Oh yeah that's another thing Christianity has done throughout history; perpetuate endless amounts of moral, ethical, and intellectual hypocrisy at every turn.

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THINK about ...try it.

That's rich. A guy who believes shit because a book exists that says a bunch of that shit that no empirical evidence whatsoever supports in any way and in fact makes claims that are by their very nature are impossible to being prove or recreate or test or even hypothesize, telling someone else to "try to THINK about" things.

I'm sure you try thinking too, of course. Just, you think about things that, in the literal end, will have meant absolutely fuck-all other than that you wasted your finite time and otherwise boundless intellectual and moral potential.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Those advocating specific religious edicts, strictures, commandments, etc. be hammered into laws that apply to everybody, then they need to be consistent in their advocacy to be taken seriously by me.

If a bunch of fundies wants govt $ for a 'pray the gay away program' but doesn't want to see government porcine disease research zeroed out, or maybe USDA shrimp price supports during gulf oil spills similarly deleted, I will wonder why they are ignoring their own 'all scripture is suitable' rule. If they know better than the god of their sacred writings, those writings aren't all that sacred to them, and even less so to the rest of us.

I know you were saying something important,but I couldn't follow it , my bad.

Would you be willing to be specific about what you're saying? And rewrite it? thank you..

Since the Bible says not to eat shell fish or pork why would fundies want the government to spend money on programs that support those industries?

[John V]

Dates to the end of the 5th century and was still being edited centuries later. Somewhat late for your horseshit.

Why? A post-Christianity date helps me. Jews then had reason not to note passages indicating a suffering messiah, but they did so anyway.

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According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (2) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.

LOL. This one is ridiculous. I once debated a Jewish counter-missionary on this topic, and he also made this claim. I asked him to provide the passages that show the messiah would be descended from David. He ignored it. I repeated the question. He dodged it. The reason he didn't want to answer is that some passages regarding descent from David also show that the messiah will be more than just a normal human. You're probably familiar with one yourself:

Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

[Creed of Heresy]

[John V]

Then your Jewish counter-missionary was a moron.

Maimonides devotes much of the "Guide for the Perplexed" to the fundamental idea that God is incorporeal, meaning that He assumes no physical form. God is Eternal, above time. He is Infinite, beyond space. He cannot be born, and cannot die. Saying that God assumes human form makes God small, diminishing both His unity and His divinity. As the Torah says: "God is not a mortal" (Numbers 23:19)

Rambam said regarding the messiah, "there shall rise up one of whom none have known before, and signs and wonders which they shall see performed by him will be the proofs of his true origin." This is contrary to your point that "According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (2) nor will he possess supernatural qualities."

"Jewish sources" have conflicting views on the messiah. When you go to sites that are writing against Christianity, you only hear one side.

Now, as for your quotation, bravo, you can quote the old testament. Pity you don't know "context," huh?

And as for yours, bravo, you can C&P from Jewish sites which present one side of Jewish thought in an attempt to refute Christian interpretation.