(May 24, 2014 at 10:01 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming.

Yep.

Quote:Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Bible no concept of a second coming exists.

Hold on there, Sparky. Some Jews, attempting to reconcile various messianic passages, came up with two messiahs: ben Joseph, the suffering messiah; and ben David, the messiah who was to do most of the stuff you listed. They come up with two messiahs, one advent each. Christianity has one messiah, two advents. It's not so different as they would have you think.

(May 25, 2014 at 10:28 am)vorlon13 Wrote: One of my first instances of questioning Jesus divinity occurred when I read about him withering the fig tree.

WTF ? Why didn't he heal it ???

His touch and desire for a fresh fig should have been more than sufficient to have resulted in the mutha of all fig trees.

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Quote:Some Jews,

Jews for jesus?

(May 27, 2014 at 2:51 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Jews for jesus?

Babylonian Talmud.
http://juchre.org/talmud/sukkah/sukkah3.htm#52a

I can understand why Jesus would curse the fig tree. Never been much of a fan myself and the yellow jackets love them.

Any tree bringing a plague of yellow jackets deserves to be cursed.

Of course being, JESUS, he could just up and make a non-yellow jacket attracting fig tree. But no, that he does not do.

Quote:Babylonian Talmud.

Dates to the end of the 5th century and was still being edited centuries later. Somewhat late for your horseshit.

(May 27, 2014 at 3:12 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: I can understand why Jesus would curse the fig tree. Never been much of a fan myself and the yellow jackets love them.

Any tree bringing a plague of yellow jackets deserves to be cursed.

Of course being, JESUS, he could just up and make a non-yellow jacket attracting fig tree. But no, that he does not do.

What does a god wanting a fig need a fig tree for ?

Can't he wiggle his nose like Samantha Stevens and create one ? Otta be a piece of cake compared to multiplying loaves and fishes.

(May 27, 2014 at 3:12 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(May 27, 2014 at 2:51 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Jews for jesus?

Babylonian Talmud.
http://juchre.org/talmud/sukkah/sukkah3.htm#52a

Quote:On (Sabbath eve and) the eve of Passover, Jesus the Nazarene was hanged and a herald went forth before him forty days heralding, "Jesus the Nazarene is going forth to be stoned because he practiced sorcery and instigated and seduced Israel to idolatry. Whoever knows anything in defense may come and state it." But since they did not find anything in his defense they hanged him on (Sabbath eve and) the eve of Passover.

If the Talmud is to be trusted, Christians have it all wrong it seems. Stoned or hanged?

Perhaps the symbol of Christianity ought to be a rock. Like rocks in the head....or perhaps a hangman's noose.

Stoned, hanged, crucified, I suppose for the religiously inclined, they are all better than snu-snu.

(May 25, 2014 at 3:53 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(May 24, 2014 at 6:38 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: you mean christians try to force others and so on. has that happened to you ? pray tell.

You really haven't seen christian's push all aspects of their agenda on others?

We regularly have christian's come knocking on our door with the "good news", trying to win more converts with their lies.

Then you have all the anti-gay and anti-choice legislation.

And then there is most of history where, the christians persecuted anyone who didn't believe exactly what they did and wiped many sects from the face of the earth.

My friend, it's called freedom of speech and freedom to practice your beliefs.

First amendment ,often called!

"Then you have all the anti-gay and anti-choice legislation."

And this is called political freedom and association.

And "Sects "come and go..

You're still around ..

Quote:My friend, it's called freedom of speech and freedom to practice your beliefs.

And I have the freedom to tell them to take their fucking god off my property, too.