Fundamentalist christian group to refuse accept any post with Harvey Milk Stamp on.

[Chas]

Oh, bullshit. I didn't make an assertion that he lied. I said it is credible that he may have lied as Milk recorded it as 18.

Or he recorded his age as 18 because what he was doing was, i don't know..Illegal?

And he looked much older than 16, so that alone defeats the argument for pedophilia.

Perfectly valid legal defense.

You keep harping on legal. Have fun with that. Pedophilia is not a legal term.

[Huggy Bear]

Or he recorded his age as 18 because what he was doing was, i don't know..Illegal?

Perfectly valid legal defense.

You keep harping on legal. Have fun with that. Pedophilia is not a legal term.

Oh I am having fun. This is just a small microcosm of athiest vs thiest debate. You asked for evidence and upon examining the evidence, instead of saying "sorry, my bad" you double down and try and rationalize and excuse Milk's criminal behavior.

[Ksa]

I don't understand what the argument is about: A man who fucks a 16 y.o. girl is not a pedophile. Period. It can be statutory rape according to laws in some states but it cannot ever be considered as pedophilia. Pedophilia is when a 6 y.o. girl asks for an ice-cream cone and you put cold maple syrup on your dick and give her that.

In Islam they can marry 13 y.o. girls. If they are past puberty, it means nature has gifted them with the ability to reproduce and so, they are no longer children. They are considered children because we live in a complicated society that requires complicated decision making, so 18 y.o. is required to understand all the implications of having sex.

[Esquilax]

Oh I am having fun. This is just a small microcosm of athiest vs thiest debate. You asked for evidence and upon examining the evidence, instead of saying "sorry, my bad" you double down and try and rationalize and excuse Milk's criminal behavior.

I like this, because it is emblematic of the theist vs atheist debate: the theist presents his argument and then, when told by the atheist that they don't buy it, and are presented with a counter argument, they instead attack the person: "You don't immediately agree with me at the first hurdle?! That must be because there's something wrong with you, some bias!"

[Dragonetti]

So, you want to jump on the bandwagon that all gays are pedophiles? and all pedophiles are gay?

There are those that believe this sadly.

[Huggy Bear]

So, you want to jump on the bandwagon that all gays are pedophiles? and all pedophiles are gay?

There are those that believe this sadly.

Nice try, but this subject is about Harvey Milk.

[Chas]

You keep harping on legal. Have fun with that. Pedophilia is not a legal term.

Oh I am having fun. This is just a small microcosm of athiest vs thiest debate. You asked for evidence and upon examining the evidence, instead of saying "sorry, my bad" you double down and try and rationalize and excuse Milk's criminal behavior.

No, I didn't. It is the slander of 'pedophile' with which I have taken issue.

You are confusing the two.

[Rampant.A.I.]

I don't understand what the argument is about: A man who fucks a 16 y.o. girl is not a pedophile. Period. It can be statutory rape according to laws in some states but it cannot ever be considered as pedophilia. Pedophilia is when a 6 y.o. girl asks for an ice-cream cone and you put cold maple syrup on your dick and give her that.

In Islam they can marry 13 y.o. girls. If they are past puberty, it means nature has gifted them with the ability to reproduce and so, they are no longer children. They are considered children because we live in a complicated society that requires complicated decision making, so 18 y.o. is required to understand all the implications of having sex.

Moreover, I haven't seen a single thread denouncing rural America's child marriages to adults.

14--the minimum age in Texas with parental consent. (A handful of other states sanction extremely early marriages with parental consent: In Alabama, South Carolina and Utah, girls can marry at 14; in New Hampshire it's 13; in Massachusetts and Kansas, 12.)

This group:

Emboldened by his success, Alamo wasn't afraid to share his radical views with the world. During a 2008 interview with CNN anchor Rick Sanchez, Alamo ranted against the Catholic Church and argued that the Bible implies that puberty is the age of consent.
"I don't know when girls reach puberty. Most of them around 10, 11, 12, 13, 14," he said during the interview. "God inseminated Mary at the age of around 10 to 12. Should we get him for having sex?"

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/06/23/o.c...index.html

A Phoenix, Arizona woman, who was once a member of the sect in Colorado City, escaped the night before she was to be married to an older man. She was 14 at the time. Pennie Petersen, at age 14, found out she was to be married to a 48-year-old man who she said had previously molested her.

http://gosw.about.com/od/southwesthistor...lygamy.htm

But not a peep out of GC. Funny how the first time any issue is raised about age of consent, it's about a gay person.

[Brakeman]

I Googled it, he was definitely a predator, records show he coaxed a 15 year old boy to leave his parents and become his partner, later the boy killed himself because of what Milk had done, and you think he's a hero.

GC

Abraham Lincoln had marks against him in his military record (can't find the source quickly) and as president :

So, on December 26, 1862, the Great Emancipator ordered the largest mass execution in American History, where the guilt of those to be executed was entirely in doubt. Regardless of how Lincoln defenders seek to play this, it was nothing more than murder to obtain the land of the Santee Sioux and to appease his political cronies in Minnesota.

http://www.danielnpaul.com/PresidentAbra...ished.html

However, We don't discount him as a leader nor bar him from the face of our money.

Why? Well the good of Abraham Lincoln was the willingness to bow to the abolition of slavery. Furthermore Abraham Lincoln did not stake his position from the unverifiable words from his god, so his truthfulness was not in question, his character played no part in freeing the slaves beyond his position as president. Lincoln did not emancipate the slaves in order to be a hero or to be beloved and adored by mankind, he simply made the presidential order with his political convictions. His legacy was not impeached by his sordid history because it did not relate to the important issues that made him famous.

Now lets compare that to theists.
Ted Haggard was a preacher whose initial legacy was his effectiveness as a godly leader and voice for jesus. When he was found to have lied and cheated with homosexual activity, his legacy was IMPEACHED because his claims of being close to god and telling his flock the truth about what god told and led him to do or say were not compatible with his lying and homosexual activity. It did matter about his personal life because his claims are that his personal life was a "walk with jesus." It did not matter that all men sin and are tempted, because a PATTERN of lying and deceit was revealed to the people who judged that his walking was definitely not close enough to jesus to warrant him being a leader.

Now to Harvey Milk, Harvey fought for Gay rights. The basis of his fight for equal rights was that it was unfair to mistreat the gays, not that he was such a great person and that people should follow the great example of his life. No, the charges pushed by Harvey stood entirely on their own and Harvey's legacy was to fight for other people's freedoms and equality, not just his own. That legacy is not impeached or thought of as "not real" because of his purported unsavory personal sex life.

[Godscreated]

I Googled it, he was definitely a predator, records show he coaxed a 15 year old boy to leave his parents and become his partner, later the boy killed himself because of what Milk had done, and you think he's a hero.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that may or may not be true.
Just provide the sources, like any good journalistic discussion would, and we can see for ourselves.

I do not know how to transfer that type of stuff from one sight to another. Computers are not really my thing, I'm a woodworker and do pretty good at that. Sorry I'm not able to post sites and pics, wish I could.
Thanks for the help Huggy74, I'm not sure why others couldn't google something a computer dummy was able to.
No one here feel bad for the family of the young man who killed himself because of Milk.

GC