Common self contradiction of the religious

[Bad Writer]

Isn't it just beautiful when theists come on and give credence to every argument we make against them?

[Ryantology]

He spoke...before the big bang? what exactly was he speaking with and into......? If he spoke it all into existence that would omit the air as his creation - since he'd be needing that to babble into.

Because all effects must have a cause, the effect of the universe must have been caused by an effect that has no cause.

GC

[orangebox21]

Here's a mind-bender: if god is an eternal being, that means that he literally waited forever to create the Earth!

Did time exist before the creation or was time created along with the material world? (Genesis 1:1 and 1:3-5)

If time didn't exist before creation, and eternity is a measure of time, then how can God have waited an eternity prior to creating the earth?

If God created space and time where there was none before, how can we say for certain God is eternal? Does it not make more sense to say God existed, then time existed, therefore God predates time, but is not eternal in the true sense of the word?

Very well put. God transcends time, or God is timeless. Because we live in a state of time, it's difficult to conceptualize would it would mean to exist in a state without time, and thus find it difficult to answer the question: How long has something existed that can't be measured by time? I think this is why people use the word "eternal" to explain the nature of God.

I'm sorry, how is the idea that something created itself any more logically consistent from something from nothing?

It's not.

Who is making this argument?

[Rampant.A.I.]

He spoke...before the big bang? what exactly was he speaking with and into......? If he spoke it all into existence that would omit the air as his creation - since he'd be needing that to babble into.

Because all effects must have a cause, the effect of the universe must have been caused by an effect that has no cause.

GC

Did time and energy exist prior to space time?

[Tonus]

Here's a mind-bender: if god is an eternal being, that means that he literally waited forever to create the Earth!

Did time exist before the creation or was time created along with the material world? (Genesis 1:1 and 1:3-5)

If time didn't exist before creation, and eternity is a measure of time, then how can God have waited an eternity prior to creating the earth?

I think a more fascinating question is: how does timelessness work? What is it like to be outside of time? Presumably, god exists in some form that is capable of action and thought, and therefore capable of marking time. Was god just one second old when he began to create the universe?

[vorlon13]

Did time and energy exist prior to space time?

Time doesn't exist in empty universes, there being nothing on which for it to impinge. Therefore, empty universes are unstable and decay into something else, which is not empty, instantly.

[Ryantology]

Because all effects must have a cause, the effect of the universe must have been caused by an effect that has no cause.

GC

Did time and energy exist prior to space time?

Hell if I know!

[orangebox21]

I think a more fascinating question is: how does timelessness work? What is it like to be outside of time?

Not a clue. What do you think?

Presumably, god exists in some form that is capable of action and thought, and therefore capable of marking time.

If God is able to transcend time, even if He is able to mark time, He wouldn't be bound by it.

Was god just one second old when he began to create the universe?

If God is timeless He can't be old.

[Freedom of thought]

I think a more fascinating question is: how does timelessness work? What is it like to be outside of time?

Not a clue. What do you think?

Presumably, god exists in some form that is capable of action and thought, and therefore capable of marking time.

If God is able to transcend time, even if He is able to mark time, He wouldn't be bound by it.

Was god just one second old when he began to create the universe?

If God is timeless He can't be old.

What if I were to assert that the universe existed in this timeless state you're talking about? Since we can make claims without a shred of evidence like that. Then you'd be in a bit of a pickle. And isn't god omnipotent, and omniscient? Which means he has INFINITE power and INFINITE knowledge. Infinities are impossible right? Religious logic: "The universe existing without a cause is absurd, and infinities can't exist, so I'll propose a being which exists without a cause to cause the universe, since the universe can't exist without a cause, and this cause has infinite in knowledge and power, even though I claim infinities can't exist and those traits don't follow from my argument..."

[Tonus]

I think a more fascinating question is: how does timelessness work? What is it like to be outside of time?

Not a clue. What do you think?

I have no idea; the concept doesn't seem rational to me.

Presumably, god exists in some form that is capable of action and thought, and therefore capable of marking time.

If God is able to transcend time, even if He is able to mark time, He wouldn't be bound by it.

How does he transcend time?

Was god just one second old when he began to create the universe?

If God is timeless He can't be old.

Then we're back to my original quip-- he literally waited forever to begin creating.