An unorthodox belief in God.

[Mister Agenda]

I backed it up with a fact, its a fact that evolution cannot create anything!

At this point, I know you are incapable of comprehending this fact, but I feel it still must be said: calling something a fact doesn't make it a fact. Demonstrating that it is a fact does.

You are dismissing that fact.

If you're saying evolution doesn't create anything ex nihilo, that's hardly news. If that's what you're saying, we're not dismissing it, it's something so trivially obvious only a moron would think it needs pointing out.

Creation requires creator, new life requires that it came from something already alive!

Argument from etymology is a fallacy: that we use the term 'creation' for 'existence' does not imply a creator. Only evidence for a creator would. And that the simplest form of life couldn't come from non-life over the course of hundreds of millions of years of complex chemistry is definitely NOT a fact.

Intelligence breeds intelligence. Humans give birth to humans.

No kidding. If a nonhuman gave birth to a human, that would not be evolution. Your understanding of evolution is so misinformed that you think it involves something that would be evidence against it.

This is back up which you cannot see, just as Christians cannot see there is no such thing as hell; goes right over their heads!

So you are unaware of the existence of Christians who don't believe hell exists? Small world you live in, considering your years of what you very loosely refer to as 'debate'.

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I think god planed it all. atheist are atheist, because they are supposed to be, theist are theist, because they are supposed to be. gays the same reasoning, culture, race, we are what we were supposed to be. And god wanted both to exist in humanity.

And you don't like God's plan so you're working to change it?

[ThePinsir]

We do not live in a natural world, its a created world


Evolution is a tool that the designer of earth uses to change his creations; tweak them



I do not believe in abiogenesis, but I accept biogenesis.


I have no idea what this means

Something cannot come from nothing, and there is no proof that god is not real.

4 Citations Needed.

The part you don't understand:

99% of the universe is dark matter and dark energy. 99% of the rest of the universe is made of star matter. 99% of the rest is gas planets. Of the MINUSCULE percentage of the universe that is rocky planets, few are inhabitable. Now, let's look at earth:

70% water.
We can only inhabit 30% of our own "fine tuned" planed. And the part that we CAN live in is susceptible to floods, earthquakes, fires, tornadoes, pestilence, famine, drought, parasites, land slides, volcanic activity...it's like the planet is trying to kill us lol.

[Esquilax]

He... he just literally and without irony committed exactly the same fallacy that I was attempting to illustrate to him was ridiculous and meaningless. He responded to my baseless assertions with yet more baseless assertions.

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I honestly don't know what I expected would happen differently.

So, ladies and gentlemen, this is what we now know: Mickiel doesn't know what evidence is, what claims are, or what the basis of debate and the burden of proof is. He doesn't know what logical fallacies are, and he doesn't care enough to look into any of this.

And so the question we now all must ask is this: why should we continue to argue with a person who literally does not understand how argumentation works, and is perfectly willing to disrespect us by wallowing in his ignorance and pretending that it's superior to logic?

[Mister Agenda]

You sound like the two sides of the anthropic principles, you think in only one sided terms; only one way could be right; of course its you're way.

And that's not you at all, eh?

I already mentioned the fine tuning of all creation as being deliberate, that was ignored and not accepted.

You didn't support it. Why should we accept the things you say as true when you can't even be bothered to try to tell us why we should think they are true?

No matter how many light years the sun is away from the earth, if god had not placed them both exactly where he did, they could not co-exist.

The distance between the earth and the sun varies by about 3 million miles over the course of a year. How close or far a planet can be from the sun and still have an environment similar enough to earth's that earthly life could survive there depends largely on its atmosphere. Mars could be as warm as Earth if it had an atmosphere like Venus.

That is designed purpose, conscious intent- its ridiculous to claim this is not evidence of god! I may as well be debating a wall.

It's ridiculous to state your conclusion as though it were an argument.

If we did not have a digestive system, we all would die. If we had no heart, we could not exist. if we had no blood, we would not exist. If this is not evidence of purpose and design, I just don't know what is!

Those would be quite good arguments if we didn't have a very good idea of how natural processes account for all of them.

Evolution did't doit, emergant nature did not do this, it was all in place when the universe was made , put in its place; our bodies had a digestive system from our beginning; the first man had a heart,. a head, a torso and blood; those things did NOT evolve over time.

That is a claim, and one clearly in contradiction to the evidence available to us. You said you accepted evolution, you seem to be a liar in addition to your many other failings. And more ignorant of what the theory of evolution actually claims than Ken Ham, which is saying something, as you once again seem to think the theory claims ridiculous things such as the first human not having a heart when hearts evolved hundreds of millions of years ago, and so did everything else you're imagining humans would have had to do without if evoluton were true. You would be less ignorant about evolution if you never heard of it.

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When you provide it. You have yet to demonstrate the validity of anything you have asserted here.

This is an atheistic rehersed response, just like the Christians do when they debate.

No rehearsal needed, all anyone has to do is read two of your posts to see it.

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[quote='Mister Agenda'

I would be very interested in seeing your proof that something cannot come from nothing.

Sure. If I may use you in this experiment. You are something, something cannot pull something out of nothing. If so, you reach inside of the empty air in front of you and pull something back from it.

So you think that if something cannot happen in a specific instance, it cannot happen in any situation, anywhere, ever?

[Confused Ape]

[Mister Agenda]

The fact that you think my evidence is only assertations does not phase me either.

Judging from your posts, that seems to be because you're pig-ignorant and proud of it.

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Well its just " so Christian of atheist" to respond like that; a blanket constant response to literally everything thrown at you; I tell you its the exact same tactic that Christians use, no matter what I say, they claim its from the devil and not true.

Its just a giant blank; total disconnection; no common ground.

You've only thrown one thing at us: assertions you can't be bothered to support. Why would you expect that if you make the same error over and over we would call it different things?

[Chas]

This guy needs treatment and/or medication. It's too late for education.

[Mister Agenda]

Facts are facts; period!! Its a fact that simon the cyrenian carried jesus cross, archaeologist found simons bone box, we got the mans bones.

Fact: Someone having existed doesn't make every story about them true.

Fact. Its a fact that the high preist Caiaphas slapped jesus on the face, we got that jokers bones as well.

Fact: Someone having existed doesn't make every story about them true.

jesus was baptized on a hill called Golgotha, we got that hill, he was baptized in the river Jordan, its still there! Jesus had two female friends, mary and Martha, archaeologist have found their house. All that is in the bible. And hundreds of finds like that.

Golgotha is just outside of Jerusalem. The river Jordan is not.

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That it's a 'who' instead of a 'what' is your burden of proof for which to show evidence.

Hey, if you keep showing them a cat, and they keep calling it a dog, what can you do? For an hour I have not posted more evidence, because we are stuck on what is evidence and what is not.

You have not ever posted any evidence on this thread. You have only posted what you think is evidence and refused to learn the difference between claiming something and supporting it.

[Confused Ape]

[Mister Agenda]