Before Christ & The Bible

[Minimalist]

Minimalist tries to disregard me, but he's secretly coming over to my views.

His delusions run deep.

[Lek]

God wouldn't require people who have never had the chance to know Christ to believe in him. They would only be responsible for responding to the light which he had given them, which would have been revealed to them through creation.

So in other words, Christians are to blame for people going to hell because otherwise nobody would have heard of this god thing, right?

Is it thus not morally reprehensible to tell a young child about Jésus lest they come to a decision contrary to that which the person telling them holds?

If a person has already truly accepted God because he's discovered him from creation, he would be open to the message of salvation from Christ. We're all responsible for our own belief or disbelief.

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The world got along just fine with out jesus and his merry little quasi-jewish road show.

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Lek and his ilk like to forget that everything in their stupid bible happened in the little circle.

The rest of the world didn't need his fucking god.

They really didn't get along all that well.

[Minimalist]

They did just fine.

Until xtian shitheads came along and started burning the libraries!

[Lek]

No, because Christians are told to preach to everyone (Mark 16:15), it's an expectation of them to testify, defend and promote their faith. They're ordered to tell people, and at least give them the chance of accepting the Gospel.

If God orders it, it's good. It's good by virtue of the fact God wants it.

This is true.

[Minimalist]

No, because Christians are told to preach to everyone (Mark 16:15), it's an expectation of them to testify, defend and promote their faith.

And that is what makes them annoying cunts!

(Oh, and btw, that verse is part of the phony ending that some unknown dickhead added much later on.)

[Cyberman]

No, because Christians are told to preach to everyone (Mark 16:15), it's an expectation of them to testify, defend and promote their faith. They're ordered to tell people, and at least give them the chance of accepting the Gospel.

If God orders it, it's good. It's good by virtue of the fact God wants it.

This is true.

Ah - Divine Command Theory. The go-to defence of missionaries and psychopathic killers alike.

[Vox]

No, because Christians are told to preach to everyone (Mark 16:15), it's an expectation of them to testify, defend and promote their faith. They're ordered to tell people, and at least give them the chance of accepting the Gospel.

If God orders it, it's good. It's good by virtue of the fact God wants it.

This is true.

Ah..Lek, if you don't mind may I question you about this premise? It is something I myself struggle with.

If something is automatically good because it enjoys divine sanction, regardless as to what the said act is how are we to explain it when the said action is to all visible purposes immoral?

I mean..Let's see; What about the slaying of the firstborn males of Egypt (Exodus 13:15)? We can argue that it's not immoral because they got a freeticket to heaven or something but the reason they "had" to die (Pharaoh refusing to release the Hebrews) was also caused by divine intervention (Exodus 9:12).

Christians are always told that the ends never justify the means, and yet here we see God actually creating the situation that requires him to kill.

That is hard to define as a good act.

[Cyberman]

So in other words, Christians are to blame for people going to hell because otherwise nobody would have heard of this god thing, right?

Is it thus not morally reprehensible to tell a young child about Jésus lest they come to a decision contrary to that which the person telling them holds?

There's actually a rather famous little tale along those lines, which I'm afraid my memory isn't equal to the task of finding (so if anyone wants to dig it up, please do). As I recall, it concerns a missionary trying to convert a heathen tribesman of some sort by telling him about hell. The tribesman asks something like “is that what happens to people who reject Jesus“ and on being told yes, replies “so why tell me?“

Something like that anyway.

[Minimalist]

the reason they "had" to die (Pharaoh refusing to release the Hebrews) was also caused by divine intervention (Exodus 9:12).

Don't forget that

27 But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he was not willing to let them go.

-Ex 10

Pharaoh was apparently willing to let them go until 'god' stepped in with his heart-hardening routine.

If only he had stuck to only hardening dicks. How much better would history have been?

[Cyberman]

Minimalist tries to disregard me, but he's secretly coming over to my views.

And on that day I shall sing God's praises to all the corners of the Earth, because that truly will be a miracle.